“Much of California's success is due to the fact that we have rational progressive policymaking”
Rational enough to black out half the state :)

“an emphasis on immigration and talent”
So fucking unique

“and a highly developed entrepreneurial sector”
That’s going to leave the state for New York or Texas.

You really don’t know much about Oklahoma. The only thing I can give you is that the public high schools are shit. But there’s also a massive political movement here to put educators in legislative office to curtail those problems.

Texas 2019 Projected Budget Deficit: $8 Billion, 0.4% of GDP
California 2019 projected defict: $1.6 billion 0.07% GDP, offset by the $6 billion surplus we ran last year.

Texas debt: 23% of GDP
California debt: 13.5% of GDP

In other words, you'd trust Texas, except that the facts show California does a MUCH better job in fiscal matters.

Yes.

Yeah, New York is leaving with us, and Texas has been trying to get the tech sector to come there for decades. Actually, that was the origin of Jerry Brown's "barely a fart" comment.

Thank you for demonstrating again that red staters will believe California is shit, no matter what the facts say. This is precisely why leaving wouldn't be so hard.

Long term planning and looking beyond the most convenient numbers is lost with the Calexiter

Did you factor cost of living into your poverty rates?

Here's a telling piece. The top 15 state with highest percentage of the population with a bachelor's degrees? it's an exact match of the 15 states I listed, plus Colorado and Illinois. Hawaii and Oregon are tied at 17. Utah and Kansas are the only Red states with higher percentages than those two.

Oklahoma sits at #42.

THERE is your story of how likely you are to pull the tech sector away from any blue state.

What I have no patience for is spouting shit out of your ass with zero data to back it up.

When it comes to long term planning, you can't do long term planning while pretending climate change is fake, that taxes boost economic growth, that education is irrelevant, or that trickle down economics work. This is PRECISELY why blue states should secede. The people who are data and fact driven are outnumbered by hallucinating yahoos in the US. With bad data comes bad policy, and why should we suffer with bad policy?

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/How-sky-high-housing-costs-make-California-the-12244924.php

“When it comes to long term planning, you can't do long term planning while pretending climate change is fake”

Red herring straw man media narrative. This belief has severely fallen out of favor.

“THERE is your story of how likely you are to pull the tech sector away from any blue state.”

Ah yes I never knew the status quo was permanent my bad.

The tech industry is already beginning to pull, but you know, the numbers are always the cold hard truth. Aerospace has been expanding here for years.

Oklahoma politics are a formidable beast, and there’s presently widespread dissent, on top of many people seeing a need to prepare for the post-oil economy that’s around the corner. 3-5 years, give or take, is my estimate for the most drastic changes.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/employment/tech-company-chooses-tulsa-over-chicago-for-headquarters/article_028efbd6-425a-5db8-9a5f-e80f3d383e6b.html

This is only the beginning. Not to mention TMA Systems, which is massive, has been in Tulsa for decades.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5551264

And if you want to step outside Tulsa.

But yeah, an economy is impossible in the whole fucking state.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2017/demo/p60-261/figure7.pdf

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/p60/261/table5.xlsx

And here’s counterpoint data on poverty. Notice Oklahoma at 12.8% on Supplemental Poverty Measure vs California at 20.4%

50 jobs. Your headline is about a company locating 50 jobs in Tulsa.

The Bay Area creates twice that EVERY DAY, on average.

Well, when Oklahoma turns into an enlightened blue beast and triples its investment in education and in twenty years has a decent base of educated people in their twenties and thirties, I'm sure it will be very impressive. In the meantime, you keep reelecting James Inhofe. I've been hearing how the south and the west were going to wake up and become the "New South" for about thirty five years now. And it's kind of sort of halfway happened. We're not in the 1950s when Oklahoma's poverty rate was 40%, it's true, but it's difficult ot imagine how far you have to go to catch up and how much of California's cash its going to take to get there.

Oh, and your article is pretty interesting, because it shows how wrong you actually are. In fact, it talks about how the poverty rate is 14% if you base it on Fresno rents, but misses the fact taht most of the people with poverty level incomes in fact live in Fresno. The reason Bay Area rents are high is because most people have high incomes. The official poverty rate in San Mateo County. take a look at where the people with low absolute incomes live: In Fresno and Tulare counties:

http://calbudgetcenter.org/blog/a-county-by-county-look-at-poverty-in-california/

In other words, the "adjustment" needs to be done on a county by county basis for it to make any sense. Because if you live in the Bay Area, rents are higher, by pay is a lot higher too.

And of course, the cost of living is high... because lots of very productive, and very rich people live here.

But you're right. Oklahoma would benefit YUGE if you kicked California out fo the Union. Please, contact your elected representatives to present them with you "Make Oklahoma Great Again!" plan.

Thanks!

It IS adjusted geographically. That’s the point of the Supplemental Poverty Rate, and to simultaneously consider cost of living.

I’m not advocating kicking California out lmao

Also I did say just the beginning.

I’m advocating California getting off their stupid ass temporary high horse and wake up to how not special their economy is so they can either prepare for its decline or prevent it by not being dumb. Oklahoma is taking preventive measures. We’re keenly aware of the impending post-oil economy. The educator movement is getting its legs kicking hard.

“And of course, the cost of living is high... because lots of very productive, and very rich people live here.”

Cost of living is low in Tulsa but there are a ton of rich people there. Get better stats m8

Tulsa =/= California

GDP of Tulsa = $51.6 billion
GDP of Oklahoma City = $69.7 billion
GDP of State of Oklahoma = $181.1 billion (#29, < Vietnam $191.4 billion)
GDP of San Francisco Bay Area = $470.5 billion
GDP of State of California = $2.448 TRILLION (#1 USA, #6 in world)

GDP per capita California = $58,600 (#8)
GDP per capita Oklahoma = $44,600 (#31)

The stats are out there.

The California economy is special. It's diverse, innovative and thriving. We're probably the only state in the United States that could *easily* survive on its own if we had to. Our agriculture dwarfs all other states. We import more energy but we do have a fair share of our own.

http://www.westernfarmpress.com/tree-nuts/what-happens-if-us-loses-california-food-production

Give it up Jeff, these guys are going to do everything possible to piss all over California. Which is why I can't stand being in the same country with these inbred morons

Prepare for California's decline because Oklahoma is going to over take it. Did you know that a lot of California poverty is in places settled by Okies who found poverty in California a better option than anything in Oklahoma?

There's a big myth that people keep moving to Texas and Florida because it is easier and cheaper to do business there. That may be so, but the real reason there is such migration is because of retirees. No state income tax is understandably important to seniors on fixed incomes, especially those who cashed out after decades of finding their Eureka! in California and can afford a swanky condo on the beach (until the hurricanes strike).