No the imagine of the redneck south propagated by Hollywood, but originated from the horrible news stories coming out of the south regarding its treatment of minorities. Hollywood just makes money off of it, which is another issue in itself, but certainly doesn't exonerate the true source of these feelings towards the south.

@Jeff Kuta
I'm not ignoring anything. I just believe freedom of speech has priority. I may be going a little overboard, but that's because there's already an imbalance towards the side of censorship.

@Yoyoyozo

"A normal citizen isn't going to get 10 years for saying he holocaust didn't happen."

Unfounded conjecture.

"This man was most certainly a Neo Nazi."

Yes, he was. But as I said, the law doesn't apply only to Neo-Nazis.

"A Woman who was married to a Nazi Officer and was a leader a Anti-Semitic group who on several accounts distributed Nazi propaganda got only 5 years."

Hmmm. What's your point here? And what part of those 5 years is for marrying a Nazi officer?

How is it unfounded when it never happened. You just said that man was a Neo Nazi. Name another man that was given 10 years under the same charge who wasn't an antisemite?

My point is that this law while governs everyone is only excercized in extreme cases.

By the way, most of the world's image of the American South is based on "Gone with the Wind," so I guess Hollywood wasn't so hard on them after all.

@Yoyoyozo

First they came for the Neo-Nazis...

Lol. Do you have any idea how hard it is to be the devil's advocate?

The world's view of the south comes from historical context and *not* film entertainment. I'm not sure if you were continuing your joke or not. Just putting that out there for the record.

If rednecks in the south didn't hold onto their redneck image, Hollywood would have had nothing to propagate.

One could argue Birth of a Nation unironically cemented the reputation of the South.

A lot of people in here, who I know dislike Trump greatly, seem to have a lot of fascist tendencies themselves.

@Jeff Kuta

"If rednecks in the south didn't hold onto their redneck image, Hollywood would have had nothing to propagate."

Sure, blame the victim.

For something to be a joke there has to be a punchline.

If someone were to make a pro nazi film from the point of view of a happy nazi film watchers would find it deplorable.

The difference is that - as has been pretty obvious - a film about slavery or the south does not have to portray slave owners as evil. Cullen Bohanan in hell on wheels is an incredibly easy character to sympathize with despite having been a southern soldier and slave owner - does this mean all slave owners were reasonable men who freed their slaves and never tortured them? (Fuck no)

Go watch Valkyrie and tell me if all Nazi's were evil.

@Zmaj: The South has been playing the victim card for 150 years. Still waiting for them to Rise Up again.

@brainbomb

"Go watch Valkyrie and tell me if all Nazi's were evil."

As for being evil, my eye-opener was a scene in "The Counterfeiters" (a great movie, by the way). The officer in charge of a Nazi death camp has taken a liking for one of "his Jews," so he has tea with him in his home, with his ridiculously Aryan family. At one point, he says: "You know, I was a communist as a student... Yeah, sounds strange, but that's how things go. Well, I mean, I'm not really a Nazi."

My first reaction was: What?! He's in charge of a death camp, for God's sake! And then I understood the lesson. The guy is right. It doesn't really matter that he's a Nazi. In Soviet Union, he'd kill people in gulags. In Rwanda, he'd swing a machete. It's not about ideology. It's about being a very bad man.

Thanks Diplomat61..for posting one of the classic examples of why "free speech" has limits...a person shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre. The public's right to safety in public places as a right that co~exists with the right to free speech. Which made me think of a similar example... A person shouts out "I've got a bomb" in a busy US Airport. @ ND and Zmaj....Feel like exercising this "unlimited" right of freedom of expression in front of armed security at an Airport, or in the White House on a visitors tour...by shouting out that you have a bomb ? I think it's safe to predict that it will not end well for you.

@MajorMitchell

Do you have any more ridiculous examples or should we talk seriously?

"I can imagine leon1122 arguing that tearing down the Berlin Wall was a terrible thing. "HOW WILL THEY REMEMBER COMMUNISM? HOW WILL THEY KNOW THE WALL WAS EVER THERE?""

I absolutely believe that it was a great shame for the wall to be torn down. They should have kept the historical artifact mostly intact with the exception of some gates here and there. Can you imagine what a draw it would be for tourists?

Fuck anyone who is still defending Horst Mahler (the German guy in question). Clearly he is trying to incite hate crimes. That's why he was in jail.

From wikipedia:

Quotes[edit]
"The destruction of the Jews is an act of reason..." ("In der Vernichtung der Juden waltet Vernunft...")
"Billions of people would be ready to forgive Hitler if he had only murdered the Jews" ("Milliarden Menschen wären bereit, Hitler zu verzeihen, wenn er nur den Judenmord begangen hätte"), i.e., if that had been his only crime.
(Two of the comments made by Horst Mahler that the local court of justice of Amtsgericht Tiergarten used to justify the prohibition of professional activity (Berufsverbot) it issued against Mahler on 8 April 2004.[32])

Fuck you, leon1122 with your misleading bullshit.

@Jeff Kuta

"Fuck you, leon1122 with your misleading bullshit."

Are you drunk or stupid?

@Zmaj: You both have lost the argument. Fuck you and your ad hominems.

Did you hear that, Leon? We weren't even arguing about the same thing, but we both have lost the argument. It must be true because Jeff says so. Well, he's too articulate to be drunk, and I guess it's impolite to assume stupidity, so I'll just imagine he's a child and treat him accordingly.

Holocaust denial is political speech and expression, which means it should be protected. Shouting fire in a movie theater is a "prank" with no purpose and meaninglessly endangers others.

Jeff, I am well aware of what he said. Those are his views, and he should be free to express them. So long as he doesn't threaten to personally murder Jews or call upon others to do so, he is much less of a fascist than you are.

This is what it is like debating the antifa sort that seems to populate this forum. You try to reason with them and get back an indiscernible wave of noise.

@leon, do YOU deny the Holocaust occurred?

@Hauta

Come on, you can do better than that.

leon,if you were so well aware of what he said, why didn't you have the guts to post the actual commentary at the beginning? No, you just wanted to have some fake argument about free speech citing an example that doesn't fit the bill. This guy is in jail for inciting hate crimes which is the equivalent (in Germany) of yelling "Fire!" in a theater.

If you can't see the difference, you are willfully blinding yourself.

Last refuge of conservative argument is reducio ad absurdiam.
It's all a joke to you isn't it behind your internet persona?

@Zmaj, did @leon already answer that question? Maybe I missed it. I don't want to be accused of assuming he's a neo-Nazi. Maybe he's just a SJW for free speech.

No. The Holocaust happened. It shouldn't even matter anyways. One does not have to be a neo-Nazi to defend a neo-Nazi. There is this great inspirational story of a Jewish lawyer who defended a neo-Nazi party to march through a Jewish town because he believed in the freedom of speech. If you don't defend the rights of others, no one will be there to defend your rights.