I'm actually 17, Demon, but alright.

Wasnt enough in Vietnam for what exactly? It was a no win quagmire designed to send disproportionate numbers of Black men off to die.

Wait leon isnt even voting in this election!?

@leon

I agree with the technological development, but I feel like Nuclear shielding will render nuclear bombs useless.

then it won't be a useful tool. Long marches on technology!

Thank god.

Leon, you would have liked Sbyvl. He's busy time traveling back closer to the early 1600s where he came from.

"Wasnt enough in Vietnam for what exactly?"

Wasn't enough to rid the guerilla resistance.

" It was a no win quagmire designed to send disproportionate numbers of Black men off to die."

Sure, you conspiracy nut. The US started the Vietnam War just to kill black men even though it was giving them Civil Rights at the same time.

@brainbomb

mass bombing wasn't enough to put down the Viet Cong.

aight people i need sleep, i shall talk to ye all later

Im a conspiracy nut but you believe every scandal about Hillary Clinton even the ones devoid of any evidence or facts? But me citing disproportionate draft facts...

Id mute you but you are the only person too ridiculous to lose a debate too.

"Thievery is very much a socialist concept."
A socialist would argue so is protection from private interests, like people who want to steal. Also, from your social Darwinist argument, isn't the old person too weak and flimsy to still be relevant? The children are just putting her money to good use, right?

Oh god Leon is 17? He's a fuckin edgelord

Thievery, as a concept, stems directly from the concept of property. It is not restricted to any particular political ideology.

"Wait leon isnt even voting in this election!?"

Unfortunately, no, but both of my parents are voting Trump.

"Leon, you would have liked Sbyvl. He's busy time traveling back closer to the early 1600s where he came from."

Is this sbyvl? https://twitter.com/sbyvl

@JamesYanik I have some brief thoughts regarding your analysis on the cost of health care.

"Our military budget is 603 billion $

Britain's NHS is 103 billion £ (115.28 billion USD)

318.9 million people in USA/ 64.1 million people in Britain = 4.975

115.28 billion USD X 4.9751 = 573.518 BILLION USD

While it's true Britain has a 33% poverty rate compared to our 19%, claims work on a threshold level, and we have 45 million people in poverty over twice that of there 19.3 million. PLUS Britain's poverty rate already FACTORED IN NHS! that means that our claims would be significantly higher - the exact number is up for debate, but all of them have an increase, the lowest numbers from liberal economists at 8% from what i remember, but that was last year i'll double check now. so 8% for last year assuming that's held 573.518X.08=45.88

thus the adjusted claims would be 619.398

IN CONCLUSION: If we could make NHS here as efficient as it is in britain at 573 Bil. USD, we'd have to cut our military down by 95%, which will have a huge social consequence worldwide, weaken national security, and destroy one of the greatest social programs in the US.

but at least we'd have a shaky socialized system. that is IF www can get it to work as well, which is a preposterous claim even for many liberal economists who factor in poverty rates.

conclusion: NHS is currently not viable in the USA, ESPECIALLY when a trite argument like "lower the military" comes into play.

next question please"

First of all, "The U.S. spent an average of $9,086 per person on health care in 2013, which translated to more than 17 percent of gross domestic product." If we could get health care for all Americans at $620 billion a year that would be incredibly cheap. At $9086 per person and 320 million people we spend close to three trillion a year on health care.

Socialized medicine has its share of problems but the price argument falls apart under any scrutiny.

No leon won the argument. Let everyone die, even sick children. It isnt the taxpayers responsibility. He even was kind enough to say China had a fairer policy.

China is the shining paragon of liberty. A magical land where young people take care of their elders, een curing cancer with hugs and smiles.

Hospitals are greedy as fuck here. If a mother wants to hold her baby after giving birth they charge her for that even. Its called 'skin to skin. They make a fortune

@jengamaster

ok, I can see how you'd think that but there are some things you should know:

NHS does not provide for dental healthcare, US does: as of 2013
"Spending for dental services increased 2.8 percent in 2014 to $113.5 billion"

Nursing care is much less covered under NHS, while USA: 2014 to $155.6 billion

Another market is prescription drugs, which is an industry in the USA, rather than state funded, producing great scientific advances: growing 12.2 percent to $297.7 billion (these advances were allowed to occur due to competition for getting a better product)

Many health residential and person series are at 150 billion $ in the US, our privatized medical equipment sales are at 46 billion $ on their own,

SO WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON!!!

You're comparing two different things. The NHS budget, to ALL USA SPENDING ON HEALTHCARE.

If you take just the services NHS offers in Britain, then what do you get for the USA:
Spending on physician and clinical services increased 4.6 percent in 2014 to $603.7 billion

I'm not grouping in hospital care because the NHS offers:
accident and emergency services – but not emergency treatment once you've been admitted to hospital
family planning services – but not termination of pregnancy or infertility treatment
treatment for most infectious diseases, including sexually transmitted infections (STIs)
treatment required for a physical or mental condition caused by torture, female genital mutilation, domestic violence or sexual violence – this does not apply if you have come to England to seek this treatment

as there "free" services, that are all also basic treatments in the US. While US Hospital spending is at 971 billion, it is privatized, and in Britain, that does not fall under NHS budget guidelines.

PLUS The United States doesn't only offer treatment to our own citizens, but ethical codes allow it for anyone who comes in. In the NHS, this is not on budget, because people have to pay.


so @jengamaster

has it fallen apart?


PS: my argument concerning our military was a specific example comparing it for Brainbomb.

hahahaha they're even 2014 figures :')

https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data-and-systems/statistics-trends-and-reports/nationalhealthexpenddata/downloads/highlights.pdf

Also sorry for any grammar/spelling airs, this is on my phone on my way to class

@Yanik how much of this is actual cost? These fuckers charged my dad 1200$ to flush a contact out of his eye. It took 2 minutes to do...

One of the problems Britain has is what ISN'T covered under the NHS (this is A LOT) is controlled by monopolies that RAISE prices super duper high, whereas in the USA, our competitive market brings it down considerably.

However the NHS itself is AMAZINGLY well run, and if we could purely take it's services, that'd be nice, but very hard to implement on a nationwide basis.

Most health insurance in the UK covers vision and dental. We dont even get that here with marketplace unless you spend over 190.00 a month. And is it even covd?

That's because vision and dental are the only things the NHS doesn't do (though it subsidises in some cases). Really they should be brought back into the NHS here.

As for "hard to do on a nationwide basis"... that was one of the arguments used against founding the NHS in the first place. It did not prove true.

He said about a unitary state considerably smaller than the US.

A unitary state with a ruined infrastructure due to the world war two blitzing; doing something pioneering without any other countries to copy and learn from.

"Unfortunately, no, but both of my parents are voting Trump."
Your parents are voting for Trump in a state that's giving all of its electoral votes to Clinton? Wow, what a coincidence, my parents are voting for Clinton in a state that's giving all its electoral votes to Trump.