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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
01 May 15 UTC
The King is Dead!
Who here is down for a King is Dead game?

It's been a few months since we've had one.
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
22 Apr 15 UTC
Nederlandstaligen verenigt U
I'm working on reviving the Dutch Diplomacy scene, and am interested in meeting more Dutch players here. Will also be hosting some FTF games over summer, with existing and new friends.

Any Dutchies here that want to play?
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
02 May 15 UTC
Woah!
Holy shit! We have a running coming up live game feed now?! I leave for a month and this is the kind of awesome shit the mods come up with?! Where's sorrass? Let's get a game goin!
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Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
02 May 15 UTC
The Beer Series Challenge
This is a series of games I'd like to run. With honest folk.
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Polemarch (202 D)
01 May 15 UTC
New classic game for us newcomers
Hi all, I have joined a few games started by others and thought it was about time I started one myself. So here it is http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=159698
Hopefully I have got this right :-) !
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
01 May 15 UTC
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Site Features Announcement
Recently as a team we have been devoting ourselves to making this site the best diplomacy site around. As part of that I'm happy to announce a new feature live today, and a few upcoming within the month. See inside for more.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
28 Apr 15 UTC
National Guard called into Baltimore
Apparently this has made headlines worldwide. Figured I'd open the floor on the conversation. http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-expected-mondays-funeral-freddie-gray-081844148.html
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
That's kind of my point exactly, zultar. To elaborate...

It's been two generations since the last major demographic shift in the United States in the 60s and 70s as the Baby Boomers reached their 20s. There were many more young people as a percentage of society. So when tragic incidents happened (Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam War, etc), those young adults were more emotionally ready to be catalyzed into action than the older adults who were already part of the establishment.

Freddy Gray's death at the hands of police was the catalyst for action. Young people who weren't slaving away at their desk jobs (because those are hard to come by for the socioeconomically disadvantaged) were free to take to the streets, and they did! Not blaming Millennials for what happened, but there is a tipping point for riots to happen and youthful risk-taking and rebelliousness is a factor.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
29 Apr 15 UTC
lol another typo: "hoi polloi"
I've gotta check my typing better.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
So, Millennials...VOTE! ;)
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
29 Apr 15 UTC
Just to play devil's advocate, why should they vote if the system in which they are told to participate is broken? It's rigged from the get-go. Not all votes are cast equally as the ones with the money have the biggest voice and influence. These are systemic issues and unless the system is corrected, they are unlikely to dissipate.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
The state exists. Government exists. There's no way a violent revolution will work in the United States in this day and age. Our republic, flawed though it may be, has a strong central government with a monopoly on legitimate violence. Ooh, scary.

I'm all for "Be the change you want to see in the world." But if that means checking out of civil society, then you deserve the consequences of not participating. There is power in numbers. Those without numbers have to use fear and intimidation to discourage the masses. Don't let them succeed.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Apr 15 UTC
The only reason I voted is to keep people from ignoring the things I say and only yelling at me for not voting. Must be the early stages of that American Dream all the fiction writers have always talked about.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
"And really, when you actually analyze the data on social mobility and interclass mobility, the "American Dream" has been a myth for decades now" - Look at Howard Zimm's 'You can't be neutral on a moving train'

He grew up in the US in the 30s, and would say the American Dream was just that, a dream, even then.

Great historian and social activist.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
I find is interesting that as much as people talk about politics here that there is even any question that you might consider not voting.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
"The state exists. Government exists. There's no way a violent revolution will work in the United States in this day and age. "

False. Please provide the evidence to back up your position.

Besides, there were days of peaceful protest in Baltimore before the violence broke out. And almost zero news coverage.

As a tactic for gaining awareness and trying to change things, peaceful protest wasn't working. Nobody in the mass media noticed. This violence isn't born out of nothing, it is a result of a minority being attacked by police. And the more violence the police state uses the more resentment it builds up.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Apr 15 UTC
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Because I have no reason to be proud enough to vote in a place where the only enforcement agency that gets in trouble if a black man gets shot is the Secret Service.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
29 Apr 15 UTC
I was just playing devil's advocate, Jeff. I don't believe people should check out. I think they should take an active and thoughtful role in trying to make society a better place, but I am also aware that the deck is stacked, so it will either take a long time to make things better or it will take a violent revolution, which I am disinclined to support but it might be necessary. I think it's important to know what a monumentally difficult and lengthy task changing society is but also to realize that if making society more equitable (not equal but equitable) is what you believe in, then you have no choice but to do what you can to try to make it better.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
" I don't believe people should check out. I think they should take an active and thoughtful role in trying to make society a better place"

And you could start with voting, but then move on to more activism. Protest marches is a form of active engagement in the political process - but when they are ignored, what next?
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
29 Apr 15 UTC
Orathaic, the "American Dream" had not been uniform and static. It was somewhat more achievable in the 60s and 70s and part of the early 80s, but yeah, generally, it has been one of the most powerful myths in our society. A myth it may be but a power myth it is.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Provide evidence? 150 years ago the traitorous rebels lost The Civil War. Since then, there have been over 300 riots/rebellions on American soil. None have led to a complete revolution of government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

That's not to say riots don't get attention, but there are usually much better ways to effect change and achieve goals.
Amwidkle (4510 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Indeed, orathaic, the Baltimore riots *have* succeeded in raising awareness of the Freddie Gray case. But at the same time, the riots have also succeeded in alienating the majority of moderates who might otherwise have been sympathetic to the concerns of the peaceful protesters. The conversation has shifted from "What were the police doing on the night Freddie Gray's spine was snapped?" to "Where were the police while this CVS was burning?"

What happened to Freddie Gray, from what I've been able to gather, is horrific and inexcusable. But in the end, riots only provide the supporters of the hardline, law-and-order agenda with extra ammunition.

Violence is a double-edged sword.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
I want to know what percentage of people who were marching in the streets peacefully are regular voters. If they did that for days (as I have also done, notably in January 2003 before Bush invaded Iraq), then why can't they take a couple hours of time to vote on a single day?
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
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If they believed that voting would solve their problems they wouldn't be out on the streets in protests.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
"Provide evidence? 150 years ago the traitorous rebels lost The Civil War. Since then, there have been over 300 riots/rebellions on American soil. None have led to a complete revolution of government."

That doesn't prove your statement.

@Amwidkle: the peaceful protests which proceeded the riots did not raise awareness - though that was their goal.

The violent rioting did not have this goal, it was a responce to the failure of the state mechanism to reaction to the democratic demands of the people.

Not a rational or planned responce, most likely. But a responce none-the-less.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Go out and prove me wrong orthaic. Provide evidence to the contrary.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
"What happened to Freddie Gray, from what I've been able to gather, is horrific and inexcusable. But in the end, riots only provide the supporters of the hardline, law-and-order agenda with extra ammunition."

That kinds of sound arguement seems to be encouraging more rioting - i mean if your claim is, they haven't done enough rioting to get what they want...

As i posted ages ago, you're all talking about this terrible rioting, which is a sympthon, not the root cause of the problem. There is very little to discuss relating to the riots, they will stop over time as anger burns out, or police/army action will become the larger violence and disperse them, forcing the anger to find other outlets.

But the underlying issues will not have changed either way.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
@Jeff, i didn't make any contrary claims which need proving.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
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Lmao @ Kuta thinking it's just gonna take 5-10 years and then everything will be hunky dory in America again.

We're in decline and the planet is on fire. Get used to it
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
There's a 150 year track record of state domination. The United States has had territorial growth without substantive loss over that time. We're the oldest democracy in the world with the oldest written constitution.

STFU and quit being one of "those guys" on the internet. Use some common sense.
Amwidkle (4510 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
"That kinds of sound arguement seems to be encouraging more rioting - i mean if your claim is, they haven't done enough rioting to get what they want... "

No, I'm saying that more riots = more policing, which is exactly what the protesters don't want. Unless they're masochists?
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Thucy proves his reading comprehension is poor yet again.

We're in for a rough decade with respect to civil disobedience and rioting. Then it'll calm down, but that doesn't mean problems will be solved or addressed.

Millennials really are poorly educated. :P
Amwidkle (4510 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Not to mention, more riots = more damage to Baltimore's reputation, less long-term business investment in the city, etc. As orathaic pointed out, rioting is an emotional response. But from a rational perspective, rioting is self-defeating.

I agree there are lots of serious systemic issues facing blighted urban communities that need to be solved, but rioting is not the answer.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
"Tynwald, on the Isle of Man, is the oldest continuous parliament in the world, which began in 979, although its roots go further back to the late 9th century. Tynwald was also the first place to offer universal suffrage in 1893."

I'm pretty sure that democracy on the Isle of Mann predates the US by a few hundred years.

Just one of the facts i can easily disprove. Another American myth.

" But from a rational perspective, rioting is self-defeating."

I entirely agree, unless they are successful in overturning the government - that is presumably the emotion behind the rioting; destroy a broken system.

Of course they don't have much of a chance, but the rational logic of it is there.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Apr 15 UTC
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"Millenials really are poorly educated"

We're sooooo poorly educated, yeah, the most educated generation ever in civilized history is sooooo poorly educated that we can't find jobs, can't pay off our loans, can't buy houses, can't buy cars, can't buy Rolexes, can't buy private jetliners, can't retire to a beach in Florida at 55. Yeah, it's all our fault because we're sooooo poorly educated.

http://tinyurl.com/mjpfw6n

Oops.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 15 UTC
Also the phrase 'no taxation without representation' Does that one ring a bell?

Something makes me think representation was a thing.. Hmm, maybe democracy in the form of electing a representative already existed at the time of that phrase... I wonder.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Apr 15 UTC
No, we will keep declining and the unrest will get worse as the inequalitu gets worse and worse. Mark my words - there are millions of us who will take to the streets when it gets to that point. I don't relish the thought, but if the powerful do nothing about it themselves, they will have to be forced.

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Ges (292 D)
01 May 15 UTC
Any brave soul want to take over Mexico in this N Am Gunboat?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=159570#gamePanel

If you do well, think of the style points you'll earn!
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ckroberts (3548 D)
24 Apr 15 UTC
The Mountain Game 2
The first Mountain game has completed:
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CNote (685 D)
30 Apr 15 UTC
Old messages
It looks like I can only read back in-game messages a certain number of years or lines? Is that true? Anyway to go back and see the old messages?
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LeinadT (146 D)
01 May 15 UTC
Question Time: UK leaders sound off with a mere week remaining until the General Election
Being in the US, I only got to see highlights on the internet. But that's still enough to get the overall picture of what's going on. Any thoughts from our UK friends?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
29 Apr 15 UTC
Is it wrong to CD in protest?
When a game should be cancelled in all manners of courtesy, are you justified in a CD? Lets imagine there are multiple CDs or a major power like Russia, Austria, France, or Germany CDs and the game refuses to cancel is it wrong to not waste your time and simply CD as well?
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BRnMO (100 D)
30 Apr 15 UTC
Newbie Question
How do you move/attack territories with fleets. Have England in my first game ever and don't know how to do anything. Also looks like I can't attack neutral territories (Ireland, etc), is this correct?
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
30 Apr 15 UTC
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Amsterdam Face-To-Face Game
I'm organising a FTF game in Amsterdam. We've got a nice group coming, including the Nr 1 from NL, the reigning Dutch champion (another guy) and a few people who are currently at the WDC. And yours truly, so sign up!
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mrbagina (100 D)
30 Apr 15 UTC
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not refreshing in sync with timer
So even though timer is ticking down saying for instance there is 3 min left for move, turns out when I refresh, I have missed my move and now only 2 min to make next move....this is happening to the point of not being able to play. is this normal or do I need to change my settings or?
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
30 Apr 15 UTC
Government? There's an app for that.
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/85050

Muse. Matthew Bellamay. Natch.
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Ges (292 D)
28 Apr 15 UTC
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You can't spell "nightmare" without NMR.
Just sayin'.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Mar 15 UTC
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The Boroughs Tournament/webDip F2F
The Boroughs will be held from Aug 22-23 in Marlborough, Ma. We will be hosting the second webDip F2F and a meet-and-greet on Friday evening for those who arrive early. See https://sites.google.com/site/boroughsdiplomacy/home for info on Tournament, Hotels, etc. Please contact [email protected] to register.
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Going around in circles
See inside.
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landen99 (10 DX)
16 Apr 15 UTC
How to support attack across sea
Let's say that a fleet in N Sea convoys a troop from Lon to Hol. If a fleet in Bel wants to support that move, does the order say from Lon or from N Sea? I am thinking Lon.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Apr 15 UTC
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Protestor Beaten on Live TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z20Jgzz464

I guess peacefully protesting after curfew is reason to be swarmed by four guys in riot gear, hit with an assault shield, and mysteriously disappears in seconds - did they forget to read his rights? Oops. Guess he'll get off on a technicality. Unless he randomly dies in police custody.
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ejb0527 (967 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Russia start in modern diplomacy
anyone know a good start for russia in modern diplomacy? started a game and need a little help
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
29 Apr 15 UTC
Live Games Feature above
So after some time of having the feature what does everyone think? Personally I think games fill faster but it seems that more games have NMR than before. I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the upgrade.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
28 Apr 15 UTC
Comment Of The Year 2014
Is it just me or did we simply forget to award the renowned COTY-award in 2014?

Please post your nominations in this thread. After that, we can vote for the winner of the COTY-award!!
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landen99 (10 DX)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Fleet travel through enemy waters
Can a fleet move from Belgium to Holland if another country's fleet occupies the North Sea? The fleet obviously cannot travel by land between the two areas and therefore must leave the harbors in Belgium (entering the North Sea waters) follow the coastline, and enter the Holland harbors (leave the N Sea waters).
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landen99 (10 DX)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Single defense against double assault?
What happens when a defender moves against a support unit attacking his own position? Troop A: land A -> land C; Troop B: land B -> land A; Troop C: land C support land B -> land A (can attack land A); Troop D: land D support hold land A.

Does Troop C support move hold against Troop A?
Does Troop D's support hold apply to a unit (Troop A) with move orders?
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landen99 (10 DX)
29 Apr 15 UTC
Direct clash or pass straight through on opposing moves?
What happens when movement orders occur against each other? Troop A moves from land A to land B and Troop B from land B moves to land A. To make this interesting if they bounce, let's say that Troop C from land C can attack land A and supports the move to land A from land B. All three troops are from different nations.
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Mapu (362 D)
27 Apr 15 UTC
I am ready to present this award
I hereby award, with all the power vested in me, "Best Forum Newcomer of 2015" to zaneyparks. The dude is a 5 tool forum player.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
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Commentary On Drunk Thread
They're so funny and intoxicated.

Is this legal?
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
29 Apr 15 UTC
PJ Gunboat Tourney
Round-up and call for a repeat. Same or different players....
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