We need to consolidate very soon. I don't love this Guakwagon

Espi- soft cleared
Bo- likely town
Yoyo- Town

Damian- unclear
Deathllama- unclear

Guak- likely scum
Vecna- likely scum

This is what I'm thinking right now.

Yoyo, is "Guak is generally WAYYY more talkative in the late game as town. Take last game for example. He realized that t own was at LYLO, and he became more active in order b to try to solve the puzzle. Why isn't he trying right now? Because he doesn't care" your entire case against Guak?

Bo, is that your reasoning as well?

When I voted for guak, I said this:

"ND died on D1, followed by ghug on N1, Jeff on D2, and wjessop on N2. All were talkative players (Jeff to a lesser degree, but he didn't lurk like his predecessor). With the four of them dead, activity in this thread is also lacking. You're a part of that, but I'm glad you're here."

Since I said "I'm glad you're here," he hasn't been here. So yes, effectively. I have played a number of games with guak, and he lurks endlessly and uselessly early on, but he always comes back and tries to play the saving grace at the end when he is town. So, in my mind, he is either scum or he is incredibly busy with his recruitment thing in Portland that he mentioned. Or both. I'm assuming at least the former so long as he is not playing like himself.

I could go back and pull off a case on anyone in this entire thread. You could get one on me too. You keep on trying. Those aren't helping us. What helps is constant analysis and reactions, and the players that evade that or react in the wrong way are the people we need to target.

The constant analysis is why I am saying that, despite consistent scumreads on Espi and Maniac, it doesn't make sense to go after them right now. Vecna was under very, very little pressure, so it makes little sense to me why he would come out and play as he did on the last page without necessity if he were scum. He could have hidden. As such, I'm fairly sure he is town. If he is mafia, he screwed up but it may end up benefiting him. I don't know about you, Yoyo, or guak. You all are the three I intend to vote for today, though.

Case on Yoyoyozo, this includes D1 and N1. More coming shortly, didn't want to post a huge case for everyone to read with like an hour to go before EOD so I am splitting it into parts.

P1- Votes for ghug for voting and saying he will be back later, just as Yoyo had done last game it seems. 1 post total.
P3- Scum reads ghug for thinking his vote on ghug was serious. 1 post total.
P5- Thinks that ghug and wjessop are scum (The 2 night kills), calls DLs idea terrible, points that out wjessop hasn't joke posted, points out my hyperactivity, points out ghugs criticizing me quickly and everyone aside from DL, says wjessop just asks a lot of questions whether town or scum. Votes bo and says he would have shot bo for saying he was on the phone and would breeze through the lab when he was on his laptop. 3 posts total.
P6- Confirms his reason for saying he would shoot bo as thinking bo was corny and disingenuous, says that Vecna seems more confidant compared to most newbies. Joins the wagon on Vecna that Vecna started. Asks Vecna about sitting in a corner quietly. Says he asked about the sitting quietly because it seemed different to the outgoing. Tells wjessop he knows what lurking is. Responds to the argument wjessop has with him and calls it unnecessary. 8 posts total.
P7- Continues in an argument with wjessop mostly by mocking him and insulting him. Gets annoyed very quickly and says he is leaveing after a conversation about semantics is brought into play. Continues to argue with wjessop and once more says he will leave, notes that wjessop is good at sucking people into arguments. Calls wjessop delusional or scum. Clarifies his questions to vecna. Answers my question on if ND is acting scummy. Says wjessop is frustrating to talk to, can't catch scum as town, when mafia argues to distract people and states that he is like y2k now. 11 posts total.
P8- Continues to argue with wjessop. Goes to me for backup on if he is being petty. Says he wasn't trying to be petty to vecna. 5 posts total.
P9- Responds to ghug about wjessop, says that the 3 main targets of discussion because of wjessop (ND, Yoyo and Espi) are not particularly scummy. Continues to argue with wjessop. 2 posts total.
P10- Continues to argue with wjessop. Votes for me for buddying. Says I am overreacting. 5 posts total.

P15- Makes up his janitor story in response to my asking people for stories, does not respond to any of the reads about him or cases involving him, scum reads Maniac, Jeff and wjessop (note, he has only voted for ghug and myself so far). 1 post only.
P16- Congratulates himself on 10 mafia games on this site. Says ghug would want to lead town if he was town. 2 posts only.
P20- Says he is on a train and is reading up to post some thoughts. Says he doesn't find me scummy, just voted for me to see what would happen if I was the main lynch, didn't learn as much as he had hoped but will include what he learned in his EON post, calls Maniac useless and lurky and votes for him. 2 posts only.
P21- Responds to me criticizing him for joining an easy wagon, says he voted for maniac as he was scummy and only wjessop was as scummy. 1 post only.
P23- Tells people not to abandon the Maniac lynch. Says he doesn't think I am scum, thinks the wjessop-nd development is interesting and only Maniac and wjessop are his vote preferences. 2 posts only.
P24- Asks if he should allow his town read or his other town read to get lynched. Votes for ND thinking ND will give us more information and because he doesn't like ND holding his vote in reserves (his voting for wjessop who wasn't a lynch target but who was Yoyos scum read). 2 posts only.
P25- Questions Maniacs vote on ND. Calls ND an idiot before saying RIP <3. 3 posts only.
EOD 1
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P26- Says that ND was dumb. Asks DL about his thinking fake claiming was good and criticizes him for wanting to lynch meme because of a fake claim (I could not find DL saying he wanted to lynch meme). 2 posts only.
P27- Clarifies a comment I made about what he did as cop in M11. Says he doesn't like DLs or Maniacs EOD actions and that he will look into DL. Clarifies what he meant about ND giving us more information. Says that he is busy not lurking. Finds meme talking about soft claiming last game, says ND gave us info because of his interactions with wjessop and others, says we needs to look at wjessop and DL because of wjessop tunneling to setup lynches and DL watching for soft claims, says that Jeff should be lynched with no questions D2. 6 posts total.
P28- Tells bo that his janitor story wasn't a breadcrumb, just an interesting story. Continues to say DL is scum. Responds to bo questioning his earlier comments. 4 posts total.
P29- Says that he is around in response to my asking, and that he is busy. 2 posts only.
P30- Votes for Maniac (even though he said Jeff was the obvious lynch target, and even though Yoyo has not given his reads on DL as promised, or even more about what he found in regards to his vote on me). Criticizes wjessop for voting end. Makes his percentages post. 4 posts total.
EON 1
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##vote Yoyo btw.

Lol this is all over the place.

I mean, or Guak's anchor was because he was busy.

You have no evidence for his lynch other than that he's still lurking. That's absurd.

Espi, please explain why Yoyo is actually scummy when you're done?

Yes, DL, I said that it could be that. Either way, he isn't here, which is unusual for him at this stage, and statistically speaking, there's already a 50% chance that he is mafia from my point of view, so it's a solid vote.

Or how about right now, since I won't be on long. Get to your point.

Day 3 Vote Count #5

Espi (3): guak, Damian, Vecna
guak (2): Yoyoyozo, bo_sox48
bo_sox48 (1): DeathLlama8
Yoyoyozo (1): Espi

Currently ESPI is set to be lynched! 2 hours 43 minutes remain.

"Yes, DL, I said that it could be that. Either way, he isn't here, which is unusual for him at this stage, and statistically speaking, there's already a 50% chance that he is mafia from my point of view, so it's a solid vote."

You've got one reason and it's not even a good one.

What's your read of him?

Of Guak? NULL leaning SLIGHT TOWN because of this wagon which I find kinda silly

All right, so if I understand you correctly, you're attacking the wagon, not defending guak.

Right.

Case on Yoyoyozo part 2

P31- Thanks me for my percentage. Says he is tracking how long DL lurks. Responds to wjessop and asks him for his scum reads. 4 posts total.
P32- Answers questions about his list in regards to DL and myself. Thinks I am not smart enough to frame wjessop and that something is off about Vecna. 2 posts total.
P33- Responds to me and says what ghugs death likely means. Says who was on at EON. Votes for me for saying that if I am wrong about my scum reads (Jeff and Maniac with a switch to bo, wjessop and yoyo if I am wrong, note that he votes for me when he has not thought I was scum before simply after I mention his name, and that he is not voting for Jeff as he said he would). Asks me questions based on a misunderstanding of what I meant. 5 posts total.
P34- Questions me further based on a misunderstanding. Says he is laughing. Says he didn't want me to feel unwelcome playing and that he is tired and we can pick this up tomorrow, steps back into the game, calls me a cretin and tells me to answer his questions. 3 posts total.
P36- Calls wjessop a hypocrite. Responds to questions about his activity. Doesn't want to find a post he made less than 10 pages ago. 3 posts total.
P37- Says he is confidant that Maniac is scum and votes for him, promises a case later. Says he is making a document containing the entire thread (note that he has yet to share this, more of his withholding information). Says he is reading DL, Vecna and Maniac. Responds to a post from Maniac I couldn't find. 4 posts total.
P38- Says he feels he is the only hope for town and says what people are doing poorly. Tells people what to do. Asks Jeff how he is town cleared. 3 posts total.
P40- Says he is at job training and will post his document and case when he is home (which he does not). Gets insulted about being called poor scum when he was only caught because of a lucky cop scan. Says his training time was changed and that he stands by his Maniac vote. Clarifies a comment he made about me. Votes for me because I and guak haven't improved our play. 5 posts total.
P42- Has a break and asks for a rundown. Asks if people will switch onto Jeff. Laughs at bos comment about him. Votes for Jeff. Asks if bo logged off. 5 posts total.
P43- Asks about someone (couldn't find who) town reading me and scum reading jeff. 1 post total.
EOD 2
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P46- says he wasn't surprised about the lynch outcome. Says that he thinks 2 townies were up for lynch both days, myself and Jeff and myself and ND, says that wjessop pushed all of the lynches. Says he will give his reasons for voting Jeff at EON (does not). 4 posts total.
EON 2
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P47- Calls scum an idiot for killing wjessop because it narrows scum to Maniac and Vecna, promises to elaborate when he gets home. 1 post total.
P48- Votes for Vecna because of a set agenda, says it is impossible for me to be scum, says Maniac and Vecna are linked. Calls Vecna out on not being active. Says Vecna is scum reading his partner. 3 posts total.
P49- Thinks bo is town because only bo would say such dumb shit. 1 post total.
P50- Says the replacements are getting confusing. Thinks the replacement soft-clears Maniac. Says he will switch to Vecna and DL. Thinks I am a bad lynch. Asks Damian why he thinks otherwise. 5 posts total.
P51- Mentions DL pointing out fake bread crumbs. Says all of the lynch candidates have been his town reads. Says he won't be on for EOD and that his vote stands on Vecna. Says the game is lost. Votes for me to make Damian feel better. Complains about having to vote for his town reads. Says he will be on for a bit longer. Thinks that bo, DL and I are town and that guak, vecna and possibly Damian are scum, votes for guak. Says wjessop was killed to frame me. 10 posts total.
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Lmao wtf DL?

Please tell me exactly what would convince you that guak is scum? I mean if he were to just chill in a cave for the enitre game and consistently not do shit, at what point would you consider voting for him? There is no case to make becuase he's done close to nothing, D1 He posted 4 times. He pushed asked espi a question and then went back into the dark. D2 wasn't much different and neither was D3. So you're saying that this indicates that he's town? Because I think he's scum because he's been of 0 help? Like it seems to me that you're using his constant absence as an excuse to save him from being lynched. Bullshit.

ESPI. GET. TO. YOUR. POINT.

So that is a summary of everything he has done along with my thoughts on the matter. Every single time he promised something, he never followed through, such as his promising to talk about why he voted for me D1, why he thought ND was a good info lynch, his giving us a case on DL or Maniac, voting for Jeff as he said he would and so on. His posts have been very short, giving us very little information about him. He gives a read on someone and then a few pages later contradicts that read. Just votes for me to make Damian happy. Hell the only thing that dilutes my suspicion of his actions his what he is doing now which I don't fully comprehend.

The people he has said he could vote for have been the people that are NKed. I am trying to collect more of my thoughts about how the things he has done could possibly indicate that he is town but so far I am failing.

Well you sure are pissed.

No, I don't see the point in lynching somebody who's given us no information - Guak is always useless, this game he's been slightly more useless than usual. You haven't even considered his anchor might be genuine. I have no idea how you seem to think Guak is so scummy based on him not being active in LYLO.

Yoyo claimed to be the only hope for town and so far has done less to justify his claim than he did D1. He has barely gotten by, slipping just out of notice, allowing him to respond to people when they have a remark for him, but not do anything real. He changes his opinion whenever he wants without reason, has yet to really make a solid case on anyone, and his vote have pretty much been joke posts. Hell he is the only one really still joke posting, when we are this close to losing the game.

He has had chances to try and sway the vote off of people he town reads, but doesn't so that he can not only stay under the radar, but because he likely doesn't care who is lynched. We are all town to him, and as long as his buddies aren't likely to die, any death benefits him, he can comfortably scum or town read anyone to fit the popular opinion, knowing that no one really cares to go after him right now. This is not the behavior I knew and loved in M11, Yoyo felt much more rushed then.

Furthermore he doesn't seem to care that we have almost lost this. It is more like he is confidant that he is about to win.

Not to mention he gets annoyed about my making a case against him and tries to rush me, although for this, if he really is busy, is somewhat justifiable.