@Espi - "Or, scum went for me as an easy target and as soon as it appeared they could kill someone more valuable than I, they did so."

You honestly think Jeff was a high-priority scum target? If so, why?

So researching Bo's behavior so far.

Day 1 - Bo_'s behaviour is pretty straight forward - mostly asking questions and trying to interrogate people, mostly questioning people about the cases they make but he presents no cases himself - Best description is detective mode.

There are some interesting or odd proposals, depending on how you look at it. Bo is the first person to suggest not lynching Espi on day1 while a LOT of people are on the lynch espi bandwagon:

He first made the case on day1 of not lynching espi but finding a lurking scum

>>p 11: "We should be lynching a potentially scummy lurker on D1. Even if we target scum, which I feel we likely have, there's going to be more information on them in the future days. Lurkers, on the other hand, can be somewhat vocal but still not contribute, and it will be a lot harder to get them in the future because they slip under the rug. It has happened in numerous recent games. As such, I don't feel that Espi is a good D1 target (though he will be a great lynch target on D2) because, if he's scum, we'll be able to get a lot more out of him in time than we have. We should go for a lurker who won't give us that treasure trove of intel.")<< // -> The result is a vote for DL

BO however continues with his maffia reads on Espi:

>>"I don't care if they accuse me of buddying you. I'm not mafia, so we're not partners, so it doesn't matter. I am getting scum vibes from you but I also feel like you are being genuine, at least to a degree, so I am trying to be genuine too.

If you're playing fearfully, then today is your last day. That's all I'm saying. I'd rather save you for tomorrow but I don't expect that that idea will gain enough traction to overcome how terribly you're playing regardless of your alignment."<<


Bo Keeps asking people to explain their reads list, while at the same time he keeps asking for them. Not very strange in my opinion since it is obviously a good way to get information from them

>> "I don't like these early reads lists. They're hedgy. "<<


After a while the interesting thing happens where he starts voting for Maniac

>>
--##VOTE Maniac

"Where are you man? You're usually way more active than this. Only time I saw you lurk hard was when we were scum together." << // --> changing vote based on him lurking, are there any other reason besides this at this point in time I wonder?

Bo continues his scumreads of maniac, and continues attacking maniac

>>p17 "I'm glad you decided to expand your reach a little bit, Maniac, from one incredibly easy case to another. It's almost like you're jumping on the easy ones. I wrote that case for you, and I said that then - you really think I would do that as scum? I'm not that brilliant.""<<

On page17 Bo is agreeing with my town reads on wjessop/yoyo - quite interesting since he seems to be the only person actually agreeing with the reads I make, while most persons keep attacking Wjessop (I feel the attacks on Wj are mostly fuelled by ND and Espi at this point, which is important to remember).

Bo keeps on doing the detective work, vigilant and all that. He keeps prying for information but doesnt really give a lot of it himself

>>"What are your top town and scum reads, Espi? Please explain them thoroughly."<<

Bo also links Espi and Maniac together on D1:
>> "Wj/ghug ... would you agree that if Espi is scum, Maniac is likely scum as well given his random "reads" of Espi (finger quotes) and the way Espi is voting for him only when he gains traction from the two people Espi claimed he trusts as town?" <<

Do you still feel this way about the Espi/Maniac link BO? Or have you changed your mind since? You never changed your vote off of Maniac on day1, but would you have changed your vote if you were there at EOD?

Night/Day2:

>>"@Maniac … fuck off. I clearly said on multiple occasions that I would vote for Espi without question on day 2. I also said that you are scum if Espi is scum, and I stand by that, though I'm fairly certain you are scum anyway<<

>>"@DL … the two people I am worried about as scummy-lurkers right now are Jeff and Maniac primarily."<<

>>p30: Town:

• ghug
• wjessop

Slight town:

• Vecna

Slight scum:

• DL
• Yoyo
• Espi

Scum:

• Jeff
• Maniac<<

>>"@Maniac … You straight up lied in your reads. Explain yourself. ##VOTE Maniac"<<

>>"@Espi … not really, since I am fairly convinced that you're one of Maniac's partners. There's only one left from there and if I had to gamble, I would put my money on Vecna or Yoyo. But we'll get there when we get there."<<

>>"I'd be willing to vote for either of them, wj, but I would sooner vote for Espi. Jeff is always useless and dumb as fuck and I have a harder time reading him. The only read I have on his character is meme's soft, which I don't think is as foolproof as the case on Espi, where, if he's town, he is a terrible player."<<

>>"I would hope that the Maniac wagon doesn't falter. I would rather give it a shot."<<

>>"I'm also not sure why you aren't willing to vote for Maniac. I understand that Jeff is closedminded about this, but every other active player as far as I recall has at least spoken out against Maniac in some fashion."<<

>>p41: "@Espi ... you followed me without explanation onto Maniac

@ALL ... YOYO BUSSED MANIAC AND SAID HE WAS STICKING THERE AND THEN MOVED TO ESPI SHORTLY AFTER TO SAVE HIS PARTNER IN MYLO. LYNCH MANIAC THEN YOYO"<<

>>"Never mind, Espi slipped. ##VOTE ESPI, we have all three.

"Well, I don't imagine anyone will be on so I die today. Good luck town, I hope you find scum and win."

If he dies and flips town, the game is over. He slipped in saying that he can die and that we can still find scum down the road, but if he's town, he can't die."<<

>>"Sure, Yoyo. You bussed Maniac, backed off, switched to Espi, which had me TRing Espi and SRing you and Maniac, but then Espi scumslipped a lot harder than he did with his "rest of the scum" line D1, so now I'm voting him again. I have no idea what Jeff is doing, but the fact that his wagon just can't seem to pick up steam indicates he might be scum too, so I am quite confused despite what I thought 10 minutes ago."<<

>>"Jeff is just as dumb as he always is. I have only seen him play smartly as mafia, though he misinterpreted me as saying otherwise earlier. He is dumb and useless as town. The meta fits."<<

>>"Maniac wouldn't have bussed someone in a tie in MYLO, and he is scum, so Jeff isn't."<<


All these quotes only indicate one thing to me. Bo doesnt trust Maniac, and espi. He didnt even want to join in on the Jeff bandwagon. Im going to stop my analysis since I have found hardly any indications that he could be maffia. The only strange thing for me is how Bo still hasnt followed up on his own reads to try and get Espi lynched again. However it is quite clear to me that Bo is town, and for me after rereading nearly everything he is the only consistent townread that I have in this game. I used to be sure about yoyo, and I havent seen anything to really counter that feeling so far - but Bo is the only one im sure about.

@Espi
“Below is every vote on me, along with the page of the vote and the final vote count for that day. … What does this tell you?”
It tells me that the wagon against you was town led on day 1 and 2. It tells me that the majority of votes for you have come from confirmed town members. Given the swing of votes off of you in both cases, and the fact that the wagon was town started. This does nothing to alter my hypothesis that you are scum.

What conclusion where you hoping I would draw from this?

@Vecna
No. Absolutely not. I don’t feel like I can trust my read on DL. There is no point in my wasting everyones time with an attempt to read him now. I think he’s scum, but I also think he’s playing like he did last game, where I was dead wrong about him being scum.

Definite Town:
Bo_sox

most likely Town:
Yoyo

Undecided:
DL/Guak

Definite scum:
Espi & Maniac (Damian)

Im going to need some damn good reasoning for me to change my vote off of one of the bottom two. Bo please join me in lynching these two today and tomorrow - you have had the same reads nearly all game long and they're the only solid reads and cases that have been presented in the entire game, yet they have kept escaping the lynch for some reason.

I'll take another look at Guak instead of DL.

Alright so Guak has been lurking, as we all know. And meta suggest that his MO is to do this as town, and be more active as scum. Of course trying to use this meta to clear him is worthless since at this point he knows his meta is lurking and increased activity would be scrutinized. Either way is pure speculation.

I am a little surprised at his questioning on wjessop (known town) for investigating Yoyo.

Thus far he has voted for Espi every day, and nobody else. Given that we have little else to go on for Guak. I'll try and analyze that. I really don't think it would be to the advantage of scum to continue to push for an Espi lynch every day, given that I believe Espi is scum. Ergo I'm forced to conclude Guak is likely town.

"DL... I can't. I just can't. I think he's scum. But I was so wrong last game I don't trust my read on him. " @Damian - explain why?

What exactly do you want me to explain? Why I don't trust me read on you? Or why I think you're scum?

Latter

Day 3 Vote Count #4

Espi (3): guak, Damian, Vecna
Damian (1): Espi
Vecna (1): Yoyoyozo
bo_sox48 (1): DeathLlama8

Unvoted: bo_sox48

Currently ESPI is set to be lynched! 5 hours 43 minutes remain.

A reminder to remove "##" when quoting the posts of others if you don't wish to mimic their votes.

I've attempted to quickly scan through what I can again just to see if I can pinpoint exactly why I think you're scum.

Your memorable contributions were suggesting VT's claim cop, attempting to get everyone to lynch Jeff and noticing, fake claims from Meme and Maniac. You then go on to be one of the early players on Jeff during D2, despite the fact that as far as I can tell you never got a satisfactory answer to your questions about meme being against fake claiming, and I feel like your view of Jeff is odd. Since your targeted him initially for his terrible play. Then went on to say he had to be scum because Town Jeff would have just played that way all along, and not got serious under pressure. Why where you trying to get people to vote for him the first day then? Before he got serious.

I think the main reason I think you're scum is just that you haven't really had much of a presence this game, and where you have I feel like it has been going after an easy target. Jeff, and I feel like your reasons for going after him shifted when convenient so he could remain your target. The fact that you noticed his cop claim might actually explain why you where eager to go after him day 1 (when he was just doing his typical horrible play) and when the actual cop wound up dead you decided to reveal what you had noticed, hoping it would get him lynched. (Which it did.).

I don't trust my read. But I do think you're scum.

Don't forget that he pointed out the fake breadcrumbs of meme and maniac, which if you are town, means that Deathllama lead the town onto the tracks of 2 townies, which isn't necessarily indicative, but good to consider in conjuction with everything else.

@DL

I'm actually in the same boat now. This is dumb. All of the lynch candidates so far have been everyone I'm town reading and I don't think anyone's listening to me. I actually wouldn't be surprised if our 3 scum were the people on Espi. I don't know anything anymore.

I won't be on for EOD. My vote stands on Vecna.

Oh great. Given that we are at lynch or lose if Yoyo is town, he is basically just throwing his hands in the air and hoping the vote coalesces around him.

I'm going to hope my Yoyo is scum theory is correct, since otherwise I think the town is doomed.

It was doomed a long time ago, damian. That's why Maniac left, I presume. There's no point in finishing a losing game.

I tried to get wjessop to stop bitching at everyone because it wasn't helpful, he didn't listen to me
Half the town was lurking through D2 so we have insufficient info.
ND got himself lynched.
Captainmeme breadcrumbed cop

And a bunch of other things. This game is lost.

If it makes you feel better

##VOTE Espi

Lol yet another day where I'm forced to vote for town read.

You're not required to vote any which way.
Lets start from first principles. Who are your scum reads? Aside from Vecna who would you be willing to vote for.

I should have followed through with Maniac's suggestion and tried to get everyone to do this earlier. Which people would you consider voting for today?
My two are Espi and Yoyo.

I'm headed to work (my shift ends at deadline, but I might be able to get online during my break.). I would encourage everyone to consider posting who they'd be willing to vote for today.
If you're currently town reading all of today's lynch prospects maybe you can find other people who are also doing so and start a train that you think has a shot of catching scum.

As it stands I'm happy with the current lynch, I think we will catch scum. Unless I'm convinced otherwise my vote will stay on Espi.

Well guys, congratulations, game over. We lost. We have people who won't be around EOD and if Yoyo is town, his vote on me dooms us. Nice playing with you folks.

I'll be on for another 2 hours if you guys want to start a second wagon. I'm too tired and busy to keep trying. I'd vote anyone besides bo over espi tbh.

Hold on...

@damian ... if you're back in time, why do you think DL picked up on meme and Maniac softing but not Yoyo?

@Yoyo ... I'm resigned to, but let's keep playing anyway.

@Vecna ... without paying attention to anything Maniac did, I'm reading damian town. I also think it's a semi-towntell that Maniac got replaced midday in MYLO - if he were scum, he would have simply played it out. I'm not voting for him today.

I'm still cool with the Espi vote, but given that he has been saved twice, I think we should give him another day, as contradictory as it sounds. We need to focus on the long term and I don't think Espi's flip will be all that valuable since there is such a ridiculous amount of information. If we take him out, it will leave us in just as crazy a scenario as we are in today. Going after someone who hasn't been as loud as him will make it easier for us to make connections for the next couple of days.

That said, that would make it harder for us, and we have to get to tomorrow in order to play it. There won't be any sort of consensus (since there's three mafia among us), so I think we should go with whoever our top read is and hope that the people on our side are town. We just have to watch the wagons at the end of the day and try to gauge whether or not we are leading a town-led or mafia-led kill on the spot, which isn't gonna be easy.

I think that bo, Espi and Deathllama (maybe, but I'm not sure) are town.
That means that damian (maybe), Vecna and guak are scum. Lol I'm an idiot.

Our best bet it Vecna or guak. Guak is generally WAYYY more talkative in the late game as town. Take last game for example. He realized that t own was at LYLO, and he became more active in order b to try to solve the puzzle. Why isn't he trying right now? Because he doesn't care.

##VOTE Guak

He won't be the scum that gives us the most info, but it'll definitely buy us some time. Town, please follow me.

I'm down for that. ##VOTE guak

Remember when wjessop was killed last night and no one knew why? He was killed to frame Espi. Omg this makes so much sense. That's why they all cloaked onto espi, waiting for someone else to jump on. But the town is still either confused or still trying to scumhunt before making thier final decision.

I feel like the "Espi's almost been lynched" bit isn't great, for reasons I'll explain below and the cases against him neglect to mention that he's always scummy af.
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The reason I feel like that's a poor argument is that mafia are playing badly if they're letting wagons on their own develop to that point and not bussing - considering their lead, a better mafia play would be to bus Espi or to just kill off the wagon before it happened. I don't feel like mafia would've protected Espi twice in a row with no cop.