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Yoyoyozo (95 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
I'm 18 Bitcheeesss! :)
What did/will you do on your 18th birthday? Is it as overrated as sweet 16s?
Discuss.
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TrPrado (461 D)
25 Dec 14 UTC
Search and Destroy - Take 2
Basically, the game was an abysmal failure. Would we like to try again with a better version?
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Beaumont (569 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
Need players 16 hr anon full press
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=152990
Password backstab
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Dec 14 UTC
The Most Evil American? (And Most Evil Brit Too, Why Not?)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-macaray/the-most-evil-american-in-history-wasnt-even-a-politician_b_6385188.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 The article's choice? J. Edgar Hoover...and that's not a bad pick...nor are Andrew Jackson for the Democrats, or Richard Nixon for the Republicans. So--Most Evil American...and why not, Most Evil Brit? (PLEASE NOT DUBYA BUSH *OR* OBAMA...let's avoid that partisan cliche and allow history more time to judge both, eh?)
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grumbledook (569 D(S))
31 Dec 14 UTC
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But it worked so well in the 1930s and 40s!
KingCyrus (511 D)
31 Dec 14 UTC
I'm really hoping that is sarcasm.
grumbledook (569 D(S))
31 Dec 14 UTC
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The internet never adequately conveys my sarcasm and cynicism.
JECE (1248 D)
31 Dec 14 UTC
KingCyrus and grumbledook: The Kellogg-Briand Pact forbade signatories from resorting to war to resolve their differences. That makes perfect sense and does nothing to inhibit countries from defending themselves, unless you're a fan of pre-emptive strikes like Pearl Harbor.

It especially made sense in 1928/1929, years in which the General Act for the Pacific Settlement of International Disputes also was signed and came into force. Remember that in the 1920's, the Covenant provided a legal framework for war and peace.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
01 Jan 15 UTC
@ bo_sox48

"Forget constitutional rights, displacement of people based on physical characteristics, ethnicity included, is against international law."

Can you cite the international law that prohibits the humane internment of potentially belligerent people during wartime?

@ obiwanobiwan

"Even so...you're really going to argue that, after a century of being a superpower and nearly three quarters of a century of being a nuclear-powered superpower, with interests in every corner of the globe, we can go back to a tax system which was good for and based around a smaller, more agrarian society?"

In a word, yes. But I dispute your point that the absence of a federal income tax was "a tax system which was good for and based around a smaller, more agrarian society". The size of our country and our type of economy should have little to no bearing on whether or not we have an individual federal-level income tax.

"It was unjust on THOSE grounds...along with, you know, common decency, but since we clearly won't win you over with that, either explain how it *wasn't* breaking US and Constitutional Law, or hang your head in shame and be silent, for you're talking out of your ass at this point, claiming to hate Constitutional violations..."

I *do* hate Constitutional violations, but I always take circumstance into consideration. It was wartime and a portion of our civilian population might have been belligerent. Now that you mention it, I will yield one small point. The detention of American citizens (irrespective of ancestry) was unconstitutional and unethical. That much I will admit. But the detention of Japanese (and German and Italian) immigrants was ethical, constitutional, and prudent.

"You are saying it's perfectly OK to round people up based on their ethnicity and being perceived as a 'threat.'"

Not their ethnicity; their nationality. And I wouldn't be perceiving belligerent foreign nationals to be a threat, they *would* be a threat.

"You're bigoted towards anyone whose ancestry happens to be tied to an enemy thousand of miles away. So, just so we're clear--hypothetically, if the US and *Israel* went to war today..."

Yes. I would intern every Israeli immigrant. In the case of declared war against a legitimate, uniformed enemy, I would detain any national from that enemy nation for the duration of the conflict, but I would take extensive measures to protect their private property in their absence and financially compensate them for their time.

"its connection to an enemy thousands of miles away"

Within easy range for a ham radio to an enemy sub parked offshore to relay strategic intelligence.

"Soldiers die to protect the rights and liberties of Americans"

Yeah. They shouldn't have to die because someone didn't have the balls to secure the country of civilians sympathetic to the enemy.

"I would argue the same applies to gun ownership--you have a right, but not an UNLIMITED right to keep and bear arms."

I agree. Reasonable limits are applied to all rights, but the restrictions on the right to bear arms far surpass the trivial limits placed on other rights. There are over 10,000 gun laws at the federal level ALONE. I suggest the following reasonable restriction on firearms at the federal level: 'The civilian ownership of any weapon firing a projectile of caliber >20mm is banned, with the exception of persons holding X license.'

"The limits of gun ownership, therefore, are tasked to the 10th Amendment and individual states"

You're missing the entire point of the 10th Amendment, then. The 2nd is a federally guaranteed right (due to its presence in the Constitution) and is thus not covered by the 10th. The 10th merely delegates any rights and privileges not mentioned in the Constitution to the the States or the people. The 2nd is definitely in the Constitution.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 Jan 15 UTC
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"Can you cite the international law that prohibits the humane internment of potentially belligerent people during wartime?"

I don't have to. That's not what happened. I already demonstrated that. By phrasing that question the way you did, you put me in a spot of either trying to find an applicable law or suggesting I am wrong, but that's not what happened and you are well aware of that, so I am not going to offer you anything.

Internment or displacement, whichever word you use, is not an acceptable response against one's own population to the actions of another belligerent group. The people put in those camps were not "potentially belligerent" - they were part of a group composed of citizens, permanent residents, legal immigrants, and other nationalities aside from the enemy nation. There was no regard for whether or not those people were potentially belligerent spies or whatever justification they used. There is no evidence to suggest they cared.

You're the only one who thinks these camps are remotely humane. If you did some unbiased research rather than spending your time thinking up questions that make you sound undeniably right, you would probably change your mind. Let me know if you care to discuss that piece.
KingCyrus (511 D)
01 Jan 15 UTC
@JECE, the Kellogg-Briand pact and other anti-war measures taken by the US, and presumably others, would not allow the US to financially or materially support the Western Allies before the US entered the war. The US was not able to legally sell weapons to the British or French, and the public opinion was still not in favor to change those laws until the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Instead, the US found a loophole and "rented" tanks, ships, and weapons to their Western Allies.

Recap: it was ineffective and burdensome.
JECE (1248 D)
01 Jan 15 UTC
KingCyrus: You are talking about Lend-Lease. The Kellogg-Briand Pact was not the reason behind Lend-Lease. If I recall correctly, domestic public opinion in the United States was the reason behind Lend-Lease.

It was certainly legal under international law to sell arms to recognized governments (unless punitive measures were taken by the League Council). For example, see the controversy regarding how major powers enforced an arms embargo on all of Spain, including the recognized government, during the Spanish Civil War.
KingCyrus (511 D)
01 Jan 15 UTC
@JECE

"and other anti-war measures taken by the US"
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
"I hope you live long enough to see the gulags opened in North Korea"

I hope somebody forces you to witness anal tube feeding of hummus, so you can do a happy dance for your beloved government that supposedly cares so much about human rights.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
Seriously you and Obi need a new gig. After the whole world has discovered the extent of the depravity of the US government and its allies your reflexive "North Korea" taunts have the moral validity of a Bill Bennett lecture on gambling.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
Yes...

Because the US being wrong erases all ills of North Korea, of course.

One day, Putin, we're gonna have you meet some of the North Korean refugees...and on that day, I want you to sing the praises of the Kims...I mean, I want you to go all-out, the singing, the marching...

PLEASE do "No Motherland Without You."

(And then do what the commenters say--replace every "you" in the song with "food"...and you'd have a more accurate depiction of the DPRK.)

Please?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmI2yDAyWYI

If not...well...I understand...

An alternative, maybe something that hits a little closer to home for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

^I mean, I don't know how they got you to lend your guest voice there, but kudos!


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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
02 Jan 15 UTC
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Is Coffee for Closers?
For those of you unfamiliar, the statement comes from a scene in Glengary Glen Ross: http://tinyurl.com/bkyyzlb . Basically it's about how if you want to do something, do it, and about not feeling entitled. I also recently read an article on Cracked which I will link here: http://bit.ly/1epy3r8 . So, how do you guys feel about the message of the speech and the article? Agree? Disagree? Kittens over Mittens? Please discuss.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Jan 15 UTC
New issue of Diplomacy World
http://www.diplomacyworld.net/pdf/dw128.pdf
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hanifnoor (100 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
GM
If you're interested in playing a game beginning sometime after January 11, post here. [url=http://www.testking.co.uk/ITIL-training.html]ITIL dumps - testking.co.uk[/url]
I'll take on the GM role alone initially but I would love to have a co-GM if anyone is interested in that.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
03 Jan 15 UTC
EOG live gunboat-368
gameID=152989
No Messaging; WTA; Anon

Looking for feedback on both content (my strategic analysis) and style (how I structure and present it)
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JamesYanik (548 D)
02 Jan 15 UTC
Moral Dilemma
I don't believe in parties and I don't believe voting is always important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM -- But isn't that like enabling??? And can anyone give me 1 good reason for political parties?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSh0VAVYn4
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
03 Jan 15 UTC
Diplomacy World, Winter 2014
http://www.diplomacyworld.net/pdf/dw128.pdf
I think Tru wrote the first article?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
02 Jan 15 UTC
Film recommendation needed
Sirs and Squires,

Might anyone avail me of a film recommendation?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
02 Jan 15 UTC
Need replacement
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=152508&msgCountryID=1

Good Italian position
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
26 Dec 14 UTC
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Free Open Game Takeovers
All positions taken over (that do not have the most supply centers on the board) will be refunded until Jan 1st 2015. Post here for all non-anon games, pm me for all anon games. Refunds may take several days.
Happy Holidays from the WebDip Team!
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
02 Jan 15 UTC
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renewed faith in mankind
Today I got an email granting me an extension on paying for my first term in college I'm not going to go into details but literally 2 hours ago I was convince I wouldn't returning to school. Now I know for sure I am. This gives me absolute faith in humanity and reaffirms my choice in schools.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
02 Jan 15 UTC
Airdropping "The Interview" Into N Korea
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/31/skorean-interview-drop-nkorea/21091929/

What good does this do? How many people are they expecting to get killed?
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
31 Dec 14 UTC
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Haiku
Here is a thread made
for those composing haikus.
Tankas are cool too.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
31 Dec 14 UTC
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Happy New Year
To everyone already in 2015!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
28 Dec 14 UTC
Join, all ye faithful
gameID=152575
I don't hate the holidays, but I do hate cancelling games
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Sherincall (338 D)
30 Dec 14 UTC
Adjudication help
I don't have access to jDip and similar right now, and am not quite sure.
Suppose Italy does: A Tri-Vie; A Tyr S Tri-Vie; A Ser-Bud;
And Austria does: A Vie-Tri; A Bud-Tri;
Does Bud end up in Tri and Ser in Bud, or will they stay where they are?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
18 Dec 14 UTC
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The Interview
So Sony is pulling this movie, in the face of massive damage, terrorist threats, and theater chains pulling out. I imagine the movie sucks, but I think this is a terrible outcome. Speech has been suppressed by sheer intimidation. Thoughts?
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Mycroft_221b (211 D)
01 Jan 15 UTC
New 12-Hour Classic Game Starting
Looking for a group of dedicated players committed to play the game to its end. All welcome.
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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
27 Dec 14 UTC
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Stalemate Lines
Design flaw or brilliant addition?
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
30 Dec 14 UTC
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And Another Thing....
Japan has toilets with seat warmers, and will shoot a jet of water up your ass if you press a button. Japan also has one of the lowest birthrates in the world. Coincidence?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
01 Jan 15 UTC
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dip awards 2014 (8th annual pitirre awards)
the year is finalizing and the awards has come in so we can get an idea of who's who in 2014.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
31 Dec 14 UTC
Race and Ethnicity
Recently, I have been filling out lots of forms. During this process, I have discovered a rather disturbing fact. Apparently, I do not have an ethnicity, nor even a race sometimes. In these forms many ethnicities are listed, from Aleut to Vietnamese. But while many small islands or island groups are present, I can't find Eastern European, or even Caucasian! Why is it that these are not considered of equal value to list as Samoan, or Guamanian?
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chluke (12292 D(G))
30 Dec 14 UTC
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Possible to see older Private Messages?
Is it possible to go back to see older PM's once your current PM's fill up the Private Messages column in the opened Notices screen?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
28 Dec 14 UTC
AirAsia Indonesia flight QZ8501 Missing
Deja Vu?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Dec 14 UTC
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A Thing
Hey yall!

No one in Japan has guns. Japan has very few homicides. Japan has almost zero instances of police brutality. I have only heard one police siren since arriving in a city of 30 million people. Coincidence, right?
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stranskizzle (324 D)
30 Dec 14 UTC
live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=152799
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Dec 14 UTC
A Thing - 2nd Edition
Hi again!

Domino's Pizza here in Japan is incredibly expensive. A single large pizza from Domino's is nearly 4,000 yen, which is about $35 in the US. Japan has very few obese people. Japan has almost zero instances of bloating before bedtime. I have only seen one person the size of a sumo wrestler (my dad) since arriving in a city of 30 million people. Coincidence, right?
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