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largeham (149 D)
09 Mar 12 UTC
Kony
Anything Kony related
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urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
10 Mar 12 UTC
Learning to Love the Bomb 2
WTA, Anon, Normal diplomacy, 50 point buy in for a chance to conquer the world. This comes with a free lesson on how to love the bomb. Our last game had quite a few martyrs.
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bolshoi (0 DX)
18 Mar 12 UTC
my life no longer has meaning
i promised eden i would destroy him. and i felt like i could, things were going well, but i failed. is suicide the only option?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
18 Mar 12 UTC
Why would you do this?
If your surname was Neville and you had a baby boy would you be tempted to call him Neville?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Neville
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pi3th0n (801 D)
16 Mar 12 UTC
Why is this a Resign?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=79233

I entered orders during spring 1914. I was out of town so couldn't do so in the autumn. Why does it say I resigned?
I know resigns look really bad so I'm trying to see if I'm actually guilty of this one, and if not if I can get out of it.
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notacheater (0 DX)
13 Mar 12 UTC
Please join this game, it is as classic as you can get.
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santosh (335 D)
18 Mar 12 UTC
Game: England will win...
gameID=83471 Since the mods locked the earlier thread.
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Praed (100 D)
18 Mar 12 UTC
Live Gunboat 3/18
Anyone interested in a live gunboat within the next hour, please let me know here. Thanks.
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President Eden (2750 D)
16 Mar 12 UTC
Two Steps from Hell is amazing.
Discuss.

Source (ignore silly pictures): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2koA9PWJsb0&hd=1
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King Atom (100 D)
18 Mar 12 UTC
lol
some idiot keeps +1ing all the thread posts!
ikeep trying to warn you guise, but noone seems to notice
how do i get tehm to stop?
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nnfolz (100 D)
16 Mar 12 UTC
Just a suggestion...
Hello all:

I think we can all agree that Live games get harder as your country gets bigger. Sometimes it's hard to get all your moves submitted in time AND carry out effective diplomacy, once your country reaches a certain size.
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bolshoi (0 DX)
18 Mar 12 UTC
9/11 phone call bs
how about those phone calls on 9/11 from the planes. realistic, or nonsense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjImLL4NnwA&feature=player_embedded
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tboin4 (100 D)
18 Mar 12 UTC
Conflict over semi-precious jewels?
I'm writing this poetry explication paper for English and we have to pull as much stuff out of a poem as possible. I'm trying to get a theme of conflict within this poem, but I'm not sure about one thing. Is there conflict over semi-precious jewels in the world? Thanks.
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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
Music!
A-wop bop-a loo-mop, a-lop bam-boom!
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Pete U (293 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Attn Mods
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82860 needs a pause - everyone apart from the pause requestor has voted for it. Also, I'm too tired/stupid to be able to find the email address in the FAQ. Sorry
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ffeineandsugar (100 D)
18 Mar 12 UTC
Saturday Night Casual Live Special
- Public Chat only, game id = 83452. Intrigued, anyone??
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Glorious93 (901 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Second Earth
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/apr/25/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration
Possibility of Alien Life?? Pretty exciting...
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
15 Mar 12 UTC
No builds (nomic) variant
inspired by the fun of the pacifists...
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KiNg Of DiPlOmAcY (270 D)
16 Mar 12 UTC
This is bullshit
webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=83303
WTF.
3 countries CD (4 later) and Italy refuses to draw. He won because France, Turkey, Russia and Austria all CD'd or missed a few turns. Seriously, wtf.
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Praed (100 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Live Gunboat 3/17
If anyone wants to play a live gunboat within the next 30mins, please sign up below. Thanks.
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trip (696 D(B))
17 Mar 12 UTC
JCB Invitational EOG
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chichiri (100 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Variant: The Evacuation
This is v0.1 of an idea I've been poking around with; thought I'd run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes.
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therhat (104 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Join This Game
The name explains itself.
10 minute phases and only 2 hours to join.
Cure your boredom... JOIN THIS GAME!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=83402
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jwalters93 (288 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
Minecraft?
It's like Legos. With monsters. Pretty legit, if you ask me. Anyone else play?
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therhat (104 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
Dude Just Join This Game
Seriously the title explains itself...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=83383
Just join the game.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
12 Mar 12 UTC
Do the barbarians in Afghanistan eat food or do they just live off hate like demons?
Because they can't be human beings if they don't view the world like me and my Bible do.
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Puddle (413 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
Anyone had a skull fracture when they were 18-22?
How long did yours take to heal? Roughly
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President Eden (2750 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
No DDoS?
Epic. Clucking. Fail.

Oops autocorrect
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
15 Mar 12 UTC
In case you can't tell me tone
I sound like I speck with a Jamaican accent.
Ya man.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
10 Mar 12 UTC
Best US Presidents
Pick your top five or ten and justify. Try really hard to not say Obama or George W. Bush in order to avoid a troll hijacking.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
11 Mar 12 UTC
Jed Bartlett.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
11 Mar 12 UTC
I would totally vote for Jed.
NikeFlash (140 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
Best has a lot of great candidates, but my favorite has to be Jackson.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
Yes...

BARTLETT FOR AMERICA!

And if we ever needed a Leo McGarry and Josh Lyman--favorite character--to get things done...!
Sargmacher (0 DX)
11 Mar 12 UTC
Alison Janney for President! :D
NikeFlash (140 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
And Polk did have a sick mullet, but the trail of tears alone erases any points that the mullet gave him.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
You know what, the hell with it, Jed and the Fictional Presidents are so awesome they deserve their own thread...
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
11 Mar 12 UTC
The West Wing is one of my favorite shows ever.
Almost made me want to give a crap about politics.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Mar 12 UTC
"For the record, the Mexicans started the Mexican-American War. Our dragoons were sitting on the bank of the Rio Grande minding their own damned business, and the Mexicans attacked them. What would you have done?"

I forgot who said this... but are you serious?

Do you know anything about Texas history, at all? The border was disputed - the Mexicans did not recognize the Rio Grande border - they maintained a Nueces border. Thus the construction of Fort Brown could be seen as analogous to England building a fort in Ireland, while they still claimed Ireland.

What would you do?

And how do you explain the whole Fremont episode in Calfornia? You're probably just trolling me, but just in case, I suggest you at least read the wikipedia article on the war. I learned this shit in 7th grade man.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Mar 12 UTC
Also, from said article, quote from Putin's man Grant, I think further showing that Grant was mostly a good guy:

"Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory"
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
@ Yad and Disraeli

No, Truman was the idiot, not MacArthur. We could have liberated all of Korea if Truman had the cajones to authorize an invasion of China.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
@ Thuc

"The border was disputed"

Yeah. The key word there is "disputed". We were defending our claim on the area between the Nueces and Rio Grande with military force. The Mexicans didn't like that very much and attacked us. Polk made the right decision by not screwing around with them and asking Congress to declare war. The Fremont episode is more or less irrelevant.
Yes because everyone knows the wisdom of fighting a ground war in Asia. Not to mention the use of nuclear bombing that MacArthur suggested. Truman was heroic to neutralize that Mad Dog
Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Mar 12 UTC
Gunfighter.

Please answer the following yes or no question.

Was the United States morally justified in its conduct of the Mexican-American War?
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
11 Mar 12 UTC
@ Thuc

Morally justified in its conduct? Does that mean "Did we avoid raping and pillaging their country"? The answer is no, we were not morally justified because we did rape and pillage their country instead of merely invading and conquering it.

However, the fighting of the war itself was totally justified because of the attack on our forces that were asserting our claim on the land between the Nueces and Rio Grande.

@ Santa

I firmly believe that the United States could have defeated China in a conventional ground war during the 1950s.

I will admit that Truman was very wise to not authorize the use of nuclear weapons, but that was one of only two outstanding good decision he made during his entire presidency.
Glad you firmly believe that. how many more thousands of Americans would have died in that scenario and millions of Chinese, Communist and Nationalist. Lets not even ponder the USSR's possible response to an escalated war on their border and with another communist state or the fact that MacArthur himself had a large roll in precipitating the Chinese invasion as he obstinately pushed to the Yalu River. Armchair Generalling at its best. Actually faulting Truman for not starting World War III over one half of the Korean peninsula.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Mar 12 UTC
Gunfighter... come on.

Seriously go and read the wikipedia article on the war. Here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War
Levelhead (1419 D(G))
11 Mar 12 UTC
WTF would we have "won" in China if we had "defeated" them? The same thing we won in Vietnam after defeating them? Or did we lose that too because our balls weren't big enough?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
Ah yes, Tolstoy's famous "the war was over tariffs" baloney. Nevermind that every single freaking secessionist state declared that their reason for secession was for slavery. Nevermind that the VP of the Confederacy openly stated this was the purpose of the Confederacy. Nevermind that slavery was all over their new constitution, and that they didn't allow any state of theirs to prohibit it. Nevermind that tariffs were at an *all time low* when the secessions began. Nevermind that the South had controlled tariff policy for *decades* without the North saying anything about war. Nevermind that the South even opposed the popular sovereignty ideas of Stephen Douglas.

Seriously, you confederate loving freaks need to come up with new material. This stuff is old.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
And nevermind that the South had threatened secession 4 years earlier when Fremont was running for office, because they couldn't countenance a "black Republican" who advocated the evil of "Negro equality" being the President.

Keep loving the South, you libertarian hypocrites. Keep adoring that slaveowning Empire and pretending as if big government wouldn't exist had your beloved Confederacy prevailed. And people wonder why the Ron Paulies attract the worst dredges of society, neo-Nazis and white supremacists of all sorts? This is why.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
""My" confederacy? How do you get that? I live in Italy? I don't think we were ever confederates. Fascists? yes but confederates no."

You busted in here talking about how evil Lincoln was and spewing the same kind of revisionist garbage that all the Confederate sympathizers always spew. If you don't want to be associated with the Slave Empire then don't regurgitate their talking points. And lol @ calling me an American patriot.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
"And Grant was a slaveowner himself, who didn't free his slaves until he was legally forced to in 1865... some progressive hero there."

Yeah, we can ignore his Enforcement Acts as President and ignore the shoot-to-kill any black POW policy of your Confederacy because he owned slaves at one point. Good one.

http://www.granthomepage.com/grantslavery.htm

"You are so happily placed," replied the prince, "in America that you need fear no wars. What always seemed so sad to me about your last great war was that you were fighting your own people. That is always so terrible in wars, so very hard."

"But it had to be done." said the General.

"Yes," said the prince, "you had to save the Union just as we had to save Germany."

"Not only save the Union, but destroy slavery," answered the General.


And we all know Lee was a very decent and noble slaveowner. Oh that's right, you revisionists pretend like he never owned slaves and was "opposed" to slavery. LOL.

“My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Custis; after the death of Mr. Custis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Custis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to “lay it on well,��? an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done. After this my cousin and myself were sent to Hanover Court-House jail, my sister being sent to Richmond to an agent to be hired; we remained in jail about a week, when we were sent to Nelson county, where we were hired out by Gen. Lee’s agent to work on the Orange and Alexander railroad; we remained thus employed for about seven months, and were then sent to Alabama, and put to work on what is known as the Northeastern railroad; in January, 1863, we were sent to Richmond, from which place I finally made my escape through the rebel lines to freedom; I have nothing further to say; what I have stated is true in every particular, and I can at any time bring at least a dozen witnesses, both white and black, to substantiate my statements: I am at present employed by the Government; and am at work in the National Cemetary on Arlington Heights, where I can be found by those who desire further particulars; my sister referred to is at present employed by the French Minister at Washington, and will confirm my statement.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
Also, Grant's "slaves" were not his slaves at all but his father-in-law's. Grant owned one slave and sold him in 1859. He had no control over the sale or otherwise of his father-in-law's slaves. Nice try.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
12 Mar 12 UTC
@ Santa

"how many more thousands of Americans would have died in that scenario and millions of Chinese, Communist and Nationalist. Lets not even ponder the USSR's possible response to an escalated war on their border and with another communist state or the fact that MacArthur himself had a large roll in precipitating the Chinese invasion as he obstinately pushed to the Yalu River."

I honestly don't think the Soviet Union would have gotten involved. Even though they were both communist, Russia and China have historically really never gotten along. Stalin only agreed to provide material support after a great deal of persuasion by the red Chinese.

And the war would have been more decisive. China was still quite primitive in the 1950s and had just been torn apart by years of Japanese occupation and a brutal, drawn-out civil war. And the nationalist Chinese would have helped us out.

MacArthur pushed towards the Yalu River because he was trying to win a war with the North Koreans. He was not concerned by the Chinese and he shouldn't have been.

@ Thuc

I have read the Wikipedia article about the Mexican-American War, mostly because it happens to be of interest to me, as I have always had an interest in American history. Is there anything in there that you would like to point out? Because it appears to me that the Mexicans started that war, which Polk prosecuted brilliantly. Probably the best-fought war in American history.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Gunfighter,

Grant's memoirs presented a different view of how the Mexican-American War started.
I would argue the success of the war belongs to the United States Military Academy at West Point.
In almost every major battle of the war the difference at the critical moment of battle was a decision made by a West Point trained officer thinking on his fit in the spur of the moment.
The Mexican Army did not have an officer corps with anything near the professionalism and ability of the American officer corps in my opinion.

Gunfighter06 (224 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@ TC

That's a given. Presidents don't win wars. Individual soldiers led by officers win wars. President Polk made the decision to pursue a declaration of war, which set the precedent for future presidents that we will proactively defend ourselves by taking out the bad guy if he attacks our soil. Not to mention his actual involvement in the prosecution of the war itself. President Polk was much more involved in strategic decision-making than most presidents before or after him.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
16 Mar 12 UTC
I agree with your proactive statement, but I'm not as sold on us defending ourselves. I simply congratulate Polk for having one of the finest grasps of real politik in the history of the oval office.
He realized that Mexico was antagonistic towards the Lone Star Republic, and he properly gauged American public opinion when he advocated annexation of Texas despite the threats from Mexico.
Didn't Tyler actually annex Texas after Polk's election, but before James took the oath of office?
Polk also played a masterful diplomatic game with the British over the Oregon Territory as well. Polk has to go down in American history as one of the greatest foreign policy presidents ever.
He also gained American right-of-way to the eventual Panama Canal Territory.
An exceptional diplomat and nationalist! One of the top five presidents no doubt.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
17 Mar 12 UTC
Polk was good at what he did, but what he did was not good. That's why you can maybe put him in the top of a list of "most effective presidents" but best implies moral worth, in the case of presidents anyway, when presented with no qualifier.

A good qualifier to go with "best" in Polk's case: "best conqueror-president"
Putin33 (111 D)
17 Mar 12 UTC
There is nothing impressive about beating a newly independent poor country that was in the midst of multiple civil rebellions and numerous government changes.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
17 Mar 12 UTC
What was impressive is capitalizing on a weak neighbor and stealing half their land. "Lesser" men would just sit on the sidelines, or perhaps even more foolishly, extend neighborly assistance.

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