"only relatively good reason mentioned here was self-defense..."

I think that's all we're saying. Self-defense is not stupid, unnecessary or outdated...and clearly with the examples I've given actually deters violent crime.

Would you believe that I do not own a gun? Cuz I don't.

If you don't disagree with the fact that the right to bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution, then the difference in opinions here is just a personal one. The Second Amendment is for self-defense by the broadest possible definition, from the trespasser to the tyrant. We seem to disagree on the Second Amendment's efficacy, not its validity.

A lot of gun deaths are gang related, and the gang culture was formed in part by the unintentional creation of permanent slums and ghettos by the Great Society.There are other factors of course, and not all gun deaths are gang related, but that has a significantly greater impact on guns related deaths in America than the right for law abiding citizens to own firearms.

We have my grandpa's army pistol, but there aren't any bullets. It's for show.

Gang deaths are relatively minimal compared to accidents and preventable murders within typical society. The Melbourne gang war shocked Australia and killed 30 people over just under 15 years. A lot more accidents occurred because guns were still easily available to citizens at the same time.

Go to the south side of Chicago and tell me gang deaths are minimal. 30 people? There was more per month this summer! But it wasn't the guns responsible for the deaths, it was the individuals and the culture that allows them to be created.

To dust off an old chestnut; guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Finally, we agree :)

Then, to original question, what can be done about those people?

Gang deaths are minimal in relation to other deaths.

Can you find a figure for how many people were killed in gang related incidents in Chicago? I'm pretty sure that the total deaths from non-gang related incidents is more. I believe that Chicago is more densely populated than Melbourne as well.

It should actually be "Guns don't kill people, People kill people easily with guns". Murders done with other weapons are much more preventable and the homicide rate is much less in countries where guns are hard to find.

In fact homicides per capita according to NationMaster (I've pulled off non-western democracies, a number of other similar polls show slight differences but more or less the same results):
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people

Isn't it funny how the US and Finland find themselves on top with their easy access to firearms? I can tell you that Finland has a much less intrusive gang-culture as well.

After that you see Australia (with relatively recent barring of guns) and Canada (lots of guns smuggled from the US - a common political issue there).

Thats pretty clear disproof of the "guns don't kille people, people kill people" refrain. Besides Switzerland (The outlier ultimately) the easier access to guns shows a clear correlation with high homicide rates.

Heh, The US is in between both the UK and Canada in 'most taxed'. The UK and Canada both have health care payed for by the state as well :P

Percentage of gross earnings given up in tax:
#20 Canada: 30.2%
#21 United States: 30%
#22 United Kingdom: 29.7%