Well, he forced me to do it, so this is my CC to Vecna. I am the non-cop town PR. Therefore we must lynch Vecna.

##VOTE VECNA

Sup OBG, you're not actually this retarded but I give you a cookie for the comedy attempt

How dare you sir? I am this retarded and MORE!

Still, you are now a CC'ed PR.

So all we have concluded is that either youre a fake, or we do not have a cop. I applaud your valiant attempt at dumbassery to lull the mafia into a state of complacency.

True. My attempt at dumbassery was merely an attempt, whereas yours was a resounding success, dumbass.

My point is that you prove nothing either way. The claims you are trying to make do NOT prove that you are town. Nor, however, do they prove you are not.

Oh how marvelously deductive of you Floodgates, your reasoning skills are the envy of the world.

I do not mean to prove it to you beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm merely informing you of the way things are. Whether your brilliant intellect chooses to accept this reality is really up to you. Go do stuff with that free will you posess, you little rebel you.

So, 66% of the players have yet to make their first post, and we have a Town PR claim, and a counter-claim.

I purport that this is going to be a fascinating game. It could however, I purport, be quite a short one if we continue at this pace.

You say you don't mean for your claims to prove 'beyond the shadow of a doubt' that you are town. Yet you very much sound like you are attempting to do just that! Listen to the strength of the language you used:

"There is no way mafia would claim a PR role here straight away, only a person with proper town intentions would do so."
"No mafia is ever going to come out and just claim town PR and make themselves the center of attention."

That language is not simply informative, it is persuasive. These comments are clearly designed to do one thing and one thing only; They attempt to prove (beyond the shadow of a doubt) that you are who you claim to be. However, such proof is impossible at this point and is therefore a pointless pursuit.

Therefore I can only conclude that you are a masquerading mafia member or a townie that tried too hard.

@ Vecna: I just noticed that in your response to me, you said: "And no, I am indeed not the cop."

I did not mention the cop, and I did not ask if you were the cop or not - because it's not in my interest to fish for town roles. Why did you respond as if I'd asked if you were the cop?

Then OB_Gyn shows up and CC's you, and you are quick to remark: "So all we have concluded is that either you're a fake, or we do not have a cop."

Might it be concluded that you are a non-PR Mafia helping your team by fishing for whether or not there is a cop in play? Hmmmm?

Jamiet are you saying you really believe OBG's CC that is in fact not a CC at all? Im not trying to fish for anything at all. In fact in several posts ive strongly stated that the other PR should not out at all.

And there is only 1 role that is important for the mafia to fish for, and that is the cop. There is no way any cop is going to out regardless of what anyone does, so fishing for PR's in this setup appears pretty pointless to me as a mafia tactic.

@Vecna: How is your scum-hunt going so far? How are we benefitting from your leadership? Whom do you purport we ought to lynch?

@ Vecna: "Jamiet are you saying you really believe OBG's CC...?"

I do not know whether to believe either of you. All I can conclude is that you can no longer persist with your silly claim to be an un-cc'ed PR.

Quite the peculiar question there jamiet, youre fully aware that only 4 people have spoken the last 3-4 hours. The only purpose that question would appear to have is stroking your own ego in case you are mafia that is trying to determine how well their little acting gig is going.

So tell me, is this little mini-crusade you think you have going on here an act to appear towny?

"And there is only 1 role that is important for the mafia to fish for, and that is the cop. There is no way any cop is going to out regardless of what anyone does, so fishing for PR's in this setup appears pretty pointless to me as a mafia tactic."

No, but by doing what you're doing, you could be attempting to narrow the field - reduce the number of people who could be cop, thus increasing Mafia's chance to RB or NK the cop if there is one.

Look at this from the reverse angle. If you were a VT, and I made the claim you had just made, in all honestly, would you swallow it? Would you submit to Jamiet99uk's glorious leadership? Would you sheep my vote?

For a counter-claim to be a proper CC, it has to actually counter my claim. OBG's claim does not counter shit since its completely viable that he is another PR that is not a cop. There are 2 random PR's in this game.

Ofcourse I do not believe him, but thats a different matter alltogether.

"youre fully aware that only 4 people have spoken the last 3-4 hours"

5 people, not including you, have commented since you made your claim.

Brb, time for ice-cream. Wooo

"So tell me, is this little mini-crusade you think you have going on here an act to appear towny?"

I have time to take part at the moment, so I'm doing so. I cannot investigate Demon Overlord, Xorxes, Chaqa etc because they have not done anything yet. You, on the other hand, have made a great deal of noise. It is therefore sensible for me to focus on you. If there were long, interesting posts from Captainmeme, Thamrick, or others, and all I was doing was questioning you, then I could be accused of tunnelling or, if you purport, being "on a crusade", but as it stands, your claim is the only item on the agenda.

"For a counter-claim to be a proper CC, it has to actually counter my claim. OBG's claim does not counter shit since its completely viable that he is another PR that is not a cop. There are 2 random PR's in this game."

If your point here is that it is impossible to CC you at this point, why bang on about being un-CC'ed? Saying that no-one can CC you because your claim is impossible to counter just underlines how lacking your claim is. Why should anyone believe you? I purport that nobody will.

Well I'm very convinced Jamiet is town. He's playing exactly the way he played last game. Drives me crazy, but it's detail driven and, in my opinion, good intentioned.

No clue what to make of the Vecna claim. I tend to agree with Vecna that it makes little sense for a mafia to come out and claim PR cause when he isn't NK'd quickly, it's highly suspicious. However, I don't like the way Vecna is berating Floodgates when Floodgates' point was logical. I also disagree that it was in the best interest of town to claim so soon.

Eh. OB I feel like is screwing around. Vecna seems serious. I'm inclined towards believing his claim because it seems way too risky for mafia to attempt. Worst case scenario, Vecna's alive D3 we lynch him. I also think I know which role he is, if he is in fact a PR.

@MF - I am not screwing around and I too believe I know which PR Vecna is claiming. I know he can't be that, so I know he's lying. Lynch him.

Im not banging on about anything Jamiet, you are. Im just saying 2 simple things:

1: OBG's single claim doesn't counter my own.
2: The other pr should just stay hidden and let me do my thing

That is all.

@OBG you dont really believe im going to make it that obvious do you?

I think you made it perfectly obvious, Vecna.

Ok, then this is seriously bad. The only way you can know he isn't the role he is claiming is if you are that role. Which means that either we are wrong about which claim we think he is claiming, or he is scum.

^^^Horrible grammar. You and he both refer to OB.

Either way im going to stop commenting regarding my role, since theres at least 1 mafia fishing for info here right now and someone is being either a bloody dumbass or a scumbucket.

If you really think that that "breadcrumb post" was meant to signal to everyone what my actual role is then the joke is on you.