goldfinger, the danger was, germany retreats to a russian SC and than I (Russia) have to debuild sg. and than turkey wins.

True Russia :D
I honestly didn't notice that Turkey waited a long time. He had always been the last one to ready with the size of that army. That is a very unfortunate coincidence.
Thing is, Germany, I *was* holding the line. I thought you were an idiot trying to take my centers while I was busy on the other front.

if one move would have been made against me I would have made sure turkey got warsaw moscow and St Petes, if not munich end game

Thank you goldfinger. Someone who saw the point in not drawing.

I wouldn't have soloed. Like I said, it would have been more fun to piss someone off than to win. They're only points.

I really enjoyed, i still do not understand how I (we) survived all this :D
After Austria's opening it was all screwed up, but at the end it was nice to see, how enemies cooperate. I love WTA games, because they can end like this.

And that should be the last word, I guess, from me for sure, I'm going to sleep.

Thank you guys again, for the game. ;) cheers

well perhaps if they knew what an ass hole you were then they would have obliged ;)

Its probable that you would have lost Warsaw and Moscow, rokakoma. But that still puts Turkey at 17, not a win. Also, you could've avoided the destroy by taking Berlin and placing yourself in the stalemate line. It would've taken Turkey a year to get in place to attack it, by which time France's fleets would have hopefully been there to assist. France could have allowed more units to join the fight by 1) not backing off of Turkey a few years earlier, and 2) switching the army in gas with the fleet in Brest. France had enough units to dispose of Germany

Goldfinger, though Turkey was a good few centers away from victory, Germany could have moved Den-Swe and messed up Russia's line. I would've had to support Munich while hitting Kiel and as I didn't have too many armies in the North, I saw no reason to gamble on Turkey not getting Munich and Russia managing to stall him if Germany took Scandinavia.

Again, I'm not a gunboater, but I don't think he was being an asshole. He was trying to communicate to them for years that he wanted to eliminate Germany for the draw.

it would have been a gamble, why gamble, they dont have 12000 like Czech 101 is a large price for them

Those are legitimate concerns though, diplomat, and I suppose that eliminating Germany like that could only really work in a press game.

After hearing his story I don't think he's an asshole either, I just think that it took him too long to see that we weren't going to risk it.

I'd say the bigger asshole than the one holding out to reduce the draw is the one taking a gunboat to the forum to force a draw. Just saying.

+1 Eden

So, what your saying is the only non-asshole was me.

+1 Myself

Yes, but you're Santa Claus, so it's in the job description. You don't get rewarded for doing your job.

*takes the +1*

My first post still hasn't been answered. Where's the fine police?

If you have questions on rule breaking, please email the mods.

I don't have a question. I wanted a location. abgemacht is usually pretty quick to slap fines on people breaking the rules. I'm just poking. No real problem with anything.