Can we expect a Rosetta Stone?

Now I'm probably going to loose most of you guys' interest, as it's not a natural language...
Now I feel sad ;)

NO.
I dislike Rosetta Stone.

most of the words are not a priori.
What do you mean?

I think he might mean that most of the words aren't original to his language, but borrowed or inspired by another language.

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mmm... now that i see there is a specific mean for "a priori" in languages, it turns out is exactly the opposite...

Umm...Not Rosetta Stone the software, Rosetta Stone as in a translation into a language we know.

they had a meaning prior to the language itself... most languages develop over time and hence the meaning of the words is not defined to begin with it is defined by use.

i suggest you do translate into a language we know (and by we i mean human kind) whether constructed or fictional, a language which isn't know soley to you... That may re-stimulate interest.

I also suggest we develop a language without any a priori words. (though i suppose the gun boat players have/are developing a language without any words, a means of communication with limited vocab and meaning which varies with context...)

Still a rosetta free language which has no meaning to begin with and does not allout-of-language text/speech (but does allow emoticons)

You mean I spent six hours today trying to figure out what language this is, but it doesn't exist outside the OP's head?

Counting to ten...

ten

Baumhauer - a genuine language would have root elements and not just steal words from othe rlanguages. Sindarin and Quenyan are genuine languages, but you can't just take French and Russian and English and Italian and German and Portuguese and... and just throw them all together and call it a language. It needs to have rules established that are consistent across the language for tenses, plurality, etc.

And I feel Baumhauer just wasted all of ours time.

heh yeah cause English is a consistent language.

It has rules of grammar with just a few exceptions. Does your fictional in your head language have them?

Just to play devil's advocate: would you consider Klingon or Tolkien's Elvish to be a genuine language?

Elvish, yes. I said Quenyan and Sindarin. Professor Tolkien was a linguist and his words have roots and the is a set of grammatical rules. In fact Druagnar (ny name) come from Wolf (Draug) and fire (nar, although I don't include the umlaut or diacritic or whatever the ^ above the 'a' is called) just as Narsil and Draugluin use these words consistently for their roots.

While I can interpret Kilngon with a dictionary and recognize it when I see it, I don't think it has all the rules to properly qualify as a genuine language. But then it was made up by several sci-fi writers over time and not a professor of linguistics.

The rule is, boy, don't get into a gunfight with a sword.

Rosetta Stone situational translation: don't get into a discussion with people that is waaay more involved in the subject than you.

@Kind

Who are you talking to?

@Draug

Maybe I missed something, but I don't see how you know his doesn't have these things.

@abge - I would be VERY surprised if Elvish didn't meet the 'axioms' of language given Tolkien made the languages before the stories. As said, he was a linguist.

@Kind.of.slow

I believe you're looking for "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Personally, the best is "Don't bring a spoon to a knife fight." Better imagery, in my opinion. Anyway, I lost interest in the original intent of the thread many posts ago. I can post a load of gibberish myself, but that's not really what I call entertainment.

@figle

I don't disagree. I was just wondering how we know this language doesn't also?

@Abge - we don't. However, I postulate that (whatever requirements there may be for a language to exist) unless part of its definition says "And anything I haven't defined is the same as <###>" there will be things it doesn't do that it must.
That said, I don't quite know why I'm defending a position I haven't taken :P

hahah yeah, I don't know why I'm in the thread either, tbh.

Major disappointment.

I was right about the name of the language! Yay!

i don't know why everyone's moaning instead of jumping on the opportunity to create our own language from scratch.

where the meaning is defined soley by use, and if someone else takes up your meaning incorrectly you're not able to correct them... except by using more language they've just mis-interpreted... (which is so hard that i allow the addition of 'grunts' in the form of emoticon)

as i understand it, Klingon is now taught in a certain US university. I don't know if anyone teaches elvish... (were there really only two tongues? obviously the man-speech, tree-speech and possibly dwarf speech were there too, but only two elvish tongues?)

And @Firewolf, hello.

From Wikipedia...

Author J. R. R. Tolkien created many languages for his Elves, which eventuated in the creation of a mythology (expounded in his books), complete with races, to speak the tongues he had constructed. His interest was primarily philological, and he said his stories grew out of his languages. The languages were the first thing Tolkien created for his mythos, starting with what he originally called "Qenya", the first primitive form of Elvish. This was later called Quenya (High-elven) and is one of the two most complete of Tolkien's languages (the other being Sindarin, or Grey-elven). The phonology, vocabulary and grammar of Quenya and Sindarin are strongly influenced by Finnish and Welsh, respectively. In addition to these two, he also created several other (partially derived) languages.

Also from Wikipedia...

A small number of people are capable of conversing in Klingon. Its vocabulary, heavily centered on Star Trek-Klingon concepts such as spacecraft or warfare, can sometimes make it cumbersome for everyday use. For instance, while there are words for transporter ionizer unit (jolvoy') or bridge (of a ship) (meH) there is currently no word for bridge in the sense of a crossing over water. Nonetheless, mundane conversations are common among skilled speakers.[2]