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fullautonick (713 D)
09 Mar 09 UTC
Who's up for a public press game!
Global chat only. No secret messages.

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9313
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fullautonick (713 D)
09 Mar 09 UTC
STFU!(gunboat)
who's up for a gunboat game!

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9312
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
07 Mar 09 UTC
5000 finished games!
Now, we have 5000, yes, 5000 finished games!
Congratulations to Kestas as well as all of us, who contributed to play 5000 games.
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game for noobz like me. no one over 100 points.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9300 join :D
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
UNPAUSE request for game Ragnarok-2
Hello, can I ask a mod to unpause the game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8099

It was paused after a multi-accounting ban and we have 2 people that have not logged-in for over a week.
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zestythelemon (950 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
NEW FAST GAME: Allegro non troppo
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9309

2 hour turns. Please join. :D
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Maniac (184 D(B))
08 Mar 09 UTC
Gunboat - 12 hr turns
Anybody fancy a quick gunboat game? Only 5 points

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9307
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airborne (154 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
New Game?
I'm up for a new game I checked the game section and only 5 games which are only 5 points.
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LitleTortilaBoy (124 D)
05 Mar 09 UTC
I think we need an unpause here.
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8858

Everybody's done it except Austria, and he signs in but doesn't vote on it.
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njrsax (100 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
The Game -7 ......45 mins to go!
4 more players need, PPSC, 50 point by-in
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9277
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Baquack (347 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
(coasts and supports)
Can an army in moscow support hold to a fleet st petersburg (north coast)? Can an army in gascony support hold to a fleet spain (south coast)? Can an Army in rumania support hold to a fleet bulgaria (south coast)?
Thank you
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milestailsprower (614 D(B))
08 Mar 09 UTC
vini, vidi, ego volo domus
I do not study latin, so i just tried a translator.
Join teh game folks!
And the phrase is supposed to say I came, I saw, I want to go home
Oops, I forgot to translate go...
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xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
Game: A7X
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9287

Who created this game? And is it, or is it not, named in honor of (in my opinion) the greatest band of all time?
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Corlon (100 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
Corm
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9297

New game room just opened, just trying to learn an introductory game, so basically free credits to the more experience, hurray!
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Arcturus (148 D)
08 Mar 09 UTC
2 new low point games
a 12hr/phase normal game (10pts)
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9294
and a 24/hr gunboat game (5 points)
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9293
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Invictus (240 D)
07 Mar 09 UTC
I open Firefox and it's just a blank white screen.
What did I do and how can I fix it? Using Safari sucks.
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P.Ginsberg (125 D)
07 Mar 09 UTC
Talisman
Anyone played it?
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Zapyx (100 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
Random Events
What are your thoughts?
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airborne (154 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
New Game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9266
The European Crisis II
10p buy-in, 24h phases
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Ursa (1617 D)
07 Mar 09 UTC
LIVE Diplomacy game!
Some people interested in a live game? Europeans only! B)
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
22 Feb 09 UTC
Have you played a variant game?
I would like to make a start to the database sorting issue by identifying as many of the variant games as possible.....
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
21 Feb 09 UTC
Volunteers wanted
I would like to get hold of about 30-50 volunteers to help me trawl through the database, finding games that are:
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
18 Jan 09 UTC
Promote phpDiplomacy.net
I have been promoting Face to Face mainstream event play at every chance I get here.
However, you all can also help promote this site's community in the rest of the hobby by writing articles on your games or your special events and the community here.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
31 Jan 09 UTC
I shall, as I said, be writing an article soon enough.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
31 Jan 09 UTC
Oh good! Glad I'm not the only one. I am currently re-wallpapering my room, which kind of takes priority! I shall be redrafting in the next few days.
Chrispminis (916 D)
01 Feb 09 UTC
Humpty Bumpty. Sorry I forgot about this... I'm still meaning to get around to it, but I have two mid terms next week.
Babak (26982 D(B))
02 Feb 09 UTC
Edi - have a question for you.

I have a buddy who lives in philly - do you know of any gaming groups there? (that's a rhetorical question).

who should I tell him to contact?
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
03 Feb 09 UTC
bump
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
04 Feb 09 UTC
nearly slipped off...
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
05 Feb 09 UTC
bump...
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Feb 09 UTC
bump...
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
bump
Xapi (194 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
bump
Shrimpy (100 D)
08 Feb 09 UTC
BUMP
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
09 Feb 09 UTC
Where do you all writer types stand at the moment on this project for the community here>?
Is there anything further that I can do to help you>?
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
09 Feb 09 UTC
No extra help needed Edi - I'm just really busy at the moment with work and home life. I've just finished redecorating my room (paper, paint, carpet - the whole shebang), and work is fairly busy too. Hopefully might find time to do a re-write this week.
Onar (131 D)
09 Feb 09 UTC
Wait, what's this about writing? I'm working on going pro, you know?
Moving on, i've gotten a few new players to join.
Babak (26982 D(B))
10 Feb 09 UTC
Edi -

I have been inspired to write something for the Dip mags out there... but not to promote phpdip... rather to denounce the ppsc game model as heretical to the original intent and conception of the game.

I am now on a one-man crusade .... and I truly fear that with so many new players to the dip world being introduced to this gem of a game through this bastardized version - the hobby and the game will lose its meaning over time...

anyways - I'm going to be quite unpopular around these parts for a while... and I'll take my flame-war beating... but this ppsc business truly hurts the game I think...
Chrispminis (916 D)
10 Feb 09 UTC
Again. There's no reason for this to be a one-man crusade. You don't need to endure any fire... I would gladly join you because I believe that WTA is definitely superior. You haven't actually suggested a solid course of action. All you've done is denounced phpDip which would only hurt the hobby. Help us make it better, don't just write a foaming tirade about how it's a blight to the community.

You could seriously hurt a young community that could take the hobby above and beyond what it's been over a relatively small quirk that is very much rectifiable.
Chrispminis (916 D)
10 Feb 09 UTC
Though, I'll probably keep this opinion to the relevant thread. =D
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
10 Feb 09 UTC
Yes, I agree Chris, but I'll use this to keep bumping the thread!

@Babak - if you want to write an article, go ahead! We can then comment on it :)
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
10 Feb 09 UTC
As you can see from the article below by Calhamer himself the PPSC vs WTA debate is hardly a phpDip assault on the traditional hobby, it's a long debate which is more or less a matter of opinion, and that's why we offer both

http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/calhamer/objectives.htm
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
10 Feb 09 UTC
Actually Calhamer has been inconsistent on the subject of what to do with a game that is not won and the need of some people to have rankings and distinctions between non-win results in a draw.

It is correct that the scoring system debate has been around for over 4 decades and is one of the sure fire things to generate continuous messages that have very similar philosophical game approach issues over and over again. One of the things I love about this game is that there is NOT consensus on what the relative values are in achievement. There has also never been a repeat of the scoring system used at the DipCon (now the North American DipCon) from site to site as there are always changes that people try, the only consistent thing is that no matter what you do people complain.

I like articles on scoring system analysis, comparison, philosophy.
Draugnar (0 DX)
10 Feb 09 UTC
An interesting article, to say the least. It brings to the forefront the thought of the strong second as well.

Perhaps a third offering for scoring could be provided. Sort of a revised PPSC that would encourage langer game play and fewer draws. Call it "winner take most" (WTM). The winner would get the ponts for all the SCs EXCEPT those held by second place. The second place would get the points for any SCs they hold. Sort of a cross between PPSC and WTA. Coding options could be revised to allow a "number of places paid out" instead of just WTA or PPSC. If you say seven, it's pure PPSC. If you say 1, it's pure WTA. If you say anything in between, the 2-N places get their PPSC, but the winner gets all the rest.

The computation of point distribution is easy to computer. Find the points per SC (always round down, even if the PPSC 1.9, it is still distributed at 1 PPSC). Multiply by the number of SCs held. Start at the bottom of the list. If that position earns points, give their share to them and remove it from the pot. After 2nd place has been completed, 1st place gets everything that's left.

So, a game that ends 18/10/3/2/1/0/0 with top 2 paid nd a 5 point buy in (35 point pot) would get 10 points to the second place and 25 points to the winner. If three got paid, third place would get 3 of the points and the winner would be down to 22. It still gives more to the winner than pure a PPSC gives, but provides incentives to fight and earn more than a draw would get for the other places, and first place would do MUCH better off than in a normal PPSC or a draw. Also, there would be no pot rounding issues as everything would be integerized/rounded down and the extra points would go to the winner.

Only the draw would lead to the site possibly "stealing" from the pot or giving extra points beyond the pot and this oculd be corrected by rounding down in the division of the pot and giving the modulus to the player(s) with the highest total SC count. If it's a tie and the modulus doesn't divide up evenly, those few remaining points (1 or 2 in most cases, never more than 5 as a 6 way tie is the highest possible) would be randomly distributed amongst the leaders.

Another option would be a poker toruny style of distribution. A 65/35 split to the top two positions (the money positions in a 7 person "sit and go") would give 65% (rounded up) to the winner and the other 35% (rounded down) to second. It still helps to reduce the draws as second place still takes in slightly more than a 3-way draw would take in. So a game with a 73 point pot would give 48 (47.45 rounded up) to first and 25 (25.55 rounded down) to second where as a three way draw on that same pot would be distributed 24 each with 1 point randomly given to someone.

Just some food for thought...
Draugnar (0 DX)
10 Feb 09 UTC
Ignore all the typos please, these old fingers are a bit forgetful today.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
10 Feb 09 UTC
i should also point out that in the other two top active web sites they have totally different concepts and approaches:
PlayDiplomacy.com (right now the largest single site) uses a strict Draw Base system that does not even look at centers and only allows 2-3-4 way draws,
Stabbeurfou.org has NO ranking system or scoring system but has a complex Merit system that is more geared to getting your orders in and helping to gm games etc. It is totally ignored in the course of the games and has no effect on the function or play on the site, unlike here and in PlayDip where people are strongly motived by points.
so there are some extreme opposite views out there.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
10 Feb 09 UTC
Also, in playDip people are motivated by wealth and greed, hense the fee's to play on what is essentially a hacked version of phpDiplomacy
I have to say I strongly disagree with your view Draugnar. That would do so much to encourage two players to work together until then end, or for a 2nd or 3rd place player to assist the leader in taking the win. The 2nd place player would do this knowing he would get a good result by doing this, and the third would do it in the hopes that 2nd would loose enough in the attacks he would finish second thus getting rewarded.
Babak (26982 D(B))
11 Feb 09 UTC
faingles - can you say a bit more about what you mean regarding playDip... thats one of the sites I am looking at and have not yet joined... but would appreciate your perspective.

I also think the WTM idea will actually make the ppsc problem even worst - almost requiring you to play with a game-long-ally just to get points.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
11 Feb 09 UTC
PlayDiplomacy has these features
1. Draw only concept
2 Draws may include 4 or less people *no 5-6-7 player draws you can vote yourself out of a draw
3. games must go to 1905 I think
4. like here there is no mechanism for forcing an end to a game if someone does not want to vote an end
5. They have a pay to play classification that allows for some standard features here such as early adjudication if all orders are finalized.
6. They also have 30% of the games with a 1901 NMR and a 90% of games end with at least one player having CD'ed.
Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Feb 09 UTC
As I said, the ideas were food for thought. Just something to keep the discussion going...
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
12 Feb 09 UTC
Indeed
Centurian (3257 D)
13 Feb 09 UTC
I like winner-takes-most as concept but Figle makes some good points, but only about Draugnars proposed distribution.

How about: the winner automatically gets half the pot, and then the remaining half is divided equitably by Supply Centre. ie the winner gets half the pot before you count their 18 centres. This incentivises winning while still keeping the incentive for staying alive and getting small rewards there.
sean (3490 D(B))
13 Feb 09 UTC
If we introduced Darwyn's idea of little medals/insigna next to our names based on ghost type ELO rankings that would diminsh point farming tactics. Or ever something as simple as not showing our point totals next to our names would help.

Ever since our win/draw/survived/loss stats appeared in our profiles i have really only been concerned with my win ration and my defeated ratio- maximising the one, minimise the other.

barak, did you ever meet Noodlebug? he is your soul brother. he played a lot here but left sadly due to ppsc and point farming play.

What do people think of the league and GDFT scoring system? i think the league's model encourages draws a bit too much.

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48v4stepansk (1915 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
New Fast Game
New fast game, 12 hour turns. 35 points to enter.
PPSC. Let's get it on!!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9257
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xcurlyxfries (0 DX)
04 Mar 09 UTC
Love Poem
I need some feedback before I mail it to my sweetie.
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Jacob (2466 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
NEW GAME: One For the Money
Why? Why not!
2286 point buy-in, 72 hour phases (to accomodate all the diplomacy that is sure to occur), WINNER TAKES ALL.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9251
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Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Mar 09 UTC
Edi Birsan! You dawg!
Why didn't you tell us you knew Nina Hartley!
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Jacob (2466 D)
04 Mar 09 UTC
The effect of the ghost-ratings
discussion inside
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cstuart (151 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
What are the general discussion area requests besides \draw?
Hi: I'm still fuzzy on what the other requests are for the game admins?

Also, once we figure this out, can we post it on the FAQ? I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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greatone99 (100 D)
06 Mar 09 UTC
Day game, low points
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9261

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