Ok.

We literally have less than one page of content.

Your imperious tone is premature.

Some people don't read. We have 19 names, Tr is not one of them. I will admit though to having sworn seeing his name as well.

Players:
1. y2kjbk
2. ghug
3. Hellenic Riot
4. Yoyoyozo
5. ND
6. Saladinsmith
7. OB_Gyn_Kenobi
8. DeathLlama9
9. Balki Bartokomous
10. bo_sox48
11. captainmeme
12. wjessop
13. Maniac
14. Espi
15. Damian
16. guak
17. Toemato
18. DemonOverlord
19. uclabb

Damian, don't you kind of refute your own point by saying "a mafia member would have come to their defense"

I'm getting those same vibes from wjessop as when he's been mafia the past two times. Short, nonsensical posts with quick accusations and absolutely no substance. Wjessop is already getting quite defensive and still continues to joke vote even when a moderately serious case has been set against him. Agreeing with damien's analysis right now.

##vote wjessop

lol wow, what a start, ##UNVOTE

LOL OH MY GOD, trprado isn't even in the game??? too fucking funny - maybe thats why no one has come to their defense ;)

@re "clearly here"
All I mean by you are clearly here is that if you have the ability to sit here and respond to my posts, you have the ability to discuss serious proposals as well.

Perhaps you cannot scum hunt. Posting on a cell phone makes it nearly impossible to get a clear picture of what's going on. You can hardly expect me to know what timezone you are in. What I know is you were making jokey posts, left, reappeared without addressing anything serious once a case was made for you.

To me that looks scummy. But I will admit there are many other possible explanations. Particularly given the hour where you reside.

@DeathLlama
Yes, and no.
I could be a mafia member leaping to their defence. But that would merely tie me to TrPrado. Which would be foolish. A smarter mafia play would be to tell him, and let him apologize about being away for innocuous reasons.

Its a moot point though since TrPrado isn't a player in the game. (Whoops). I didn't read the player list.

D***it, Toemato and TrPrado are like the same thing.

##unvote

DemonOverlord, why did you come on just to post that after going dark for page 2?

Hilarious. Did you guys plan that little interaction via scumchat, DO and Damian?

There's no case against me at all. If you can't joke post in the first hour this group has gotten really sad.

@all can we get feedback on the points BB made earlier on? He has a tendency to make good points and it would be a shame to have his ideas ignored.

@BB although I was somewhat joking earlier, you have yet to respond to my question. Do you think that everyone claiming to be a PR would be beneficial?

Nothing wrong with joke posting. Its just joke posting shouldn't be all you do.

Yes wjessop, we planned to bus you an hour in the game!!! Totally unfailing scum strategy!

@DL - Me not posting for one page just means I have nothing to say? Should I post filler and crap just to say I've posted on every page? What was the point of this question, how useless.

@wjessop it's that moderately defensive, moderately rude - one word posts that are full of fluff that throws me off. Someone made serious accusations against you and you still chose to joke instead of try to be engaging.

@Damian: @re "clearly here"
"All I mean by you are clearly here is that if you have the ability to sit here and respond to my posts, you have the ability to discuss serious proposals as well."

I'm lying down. In bed. Don't you read what I say before starting your attacks?

Furthermore, no, what you say is nonsense -- it is much easier to reply to you about this, to easily and quickly point out your drivel for what it is (sorry, I'm not being ride; but what you're saying is just stupid), than it would be to write a long essay that takes all of Balki's implications fairly into account : such a contrast in effort and time, particularly for someone using a mobile phone at 2am in bed, should be obvious. Instead you tunnel.

@DO: I don't consider Damian's accusations to be "serious".

I'm surprised you do.

"it's just joke posting shouldnt be all you do"

Seriously. We're only 2 hours into the game, and it's 2am here, and you're trying to judge "all I do"? You need to get a grip.

(1) I think Town has our work cut out for us in this setup. 5 of 19 voices are working against us, and the mafia can coordinate from the start. It is more important than ever that everybody try hard, post efficiently, and try to solve this puzzle starting now. It is very hard to tell the people who are sincerely trying from those who are not, if all town members are not playing hard. Play hard.

-oh really

Balki tends to be anti-noncontributor and this appears no different

(2) Please be efficient, concise, and well organized. I like to go back and reread the thread a lot, and there are several other frequent re-readers here. It’s a lot easier to do that if everyone makes their words count. Please, think through your posts, and advance the discussion.

-Ditto

(3) @Jack, I suggest that you track on Night 1. Probably not worth it to take a shot at a night kill unless you’re really sure, and right now we really need to focus on information. Obviously, jail or commute may come into play if you or someone you trust is an obvious target. But I think that the risk/reward generally favors a N1 track unless there is a compelling reason to do something else.

-I can buy this, although I have some ideas of my own I'll share when the time is right

(4) I wouldn’t mind seeing vanilla town role claims in this game. Mafia’s best shot at taking out a strong PR is the suicide bomber, who cannot be stopped by the doctor. Based on this dynamic, I think a VT PR claim is in play. My understanding is that Webdip as a unit generally opposes such a move, but I think it’s a fair play in this setup.

-Mehhhhhh

So on one hand, I definitely see Balki's intent. On the other hand, everyone claiming a role means that it'll be far easier for mafia to throw us about with fakeclaims.

@DO - wow so defensive

"@DL - Me not posting for one page just means I have nothing to say? Should I post filler and crap just to say I've posted on every page? What was the point of this question, how useless."

Really DO? You saw NOTHING fit to comment on until we tried to lynch somebody not playing and THEN you popped on with a "lol you guys are so bad" post? It's like you aren't even trying to find scum.

@Damian: and, though you say you couldn't know my time zone, it was referenced a number of times in the sign up thread that HR, meme, Maniac and myself are in the UK.

@Espi, I replied to his fourth point but I'd be happy to respond to his others as well
"(1) I think Town has our work cut out for us in this setup. 5 of 19 voices are working against us, and the mafia can coordinate from the start. It is more important than ever that everybody try hard, post efficiently, and try to solve this puzzle starting now. It is very hard to tell the people who are sincerely trying from those who are not, if all town members are not playing hard. Play hard.
(2) Please be efficient, concise, and well organized. I like to go back and reread the thread a lot, and there are several other frequent re-readers here. It’s a lot easier to do that if everyone makes their words count. Please, think through your posts, and advance the discussion."
Points 1 and 2 are well made. And are precisely why I've been getting on wjessop's case. There is nothing wrong with joke posting. But we have a lot of mafia in this game so we need to be actively trying to be productive, and adding lots of low substance posts to the chat, particularly when you use three posts to all say pretty much he same thing. Is inefficient and just makes it harder on other players doing rereading.

Nothing wrong with a bit of joking around, but if you're online and posting, you should be trying to work towards catching others, so you shouldn't just be joke posting.

"(3) @Jack, I suggest that you track on Night 1. Probably not worth it to take a shot at a night kill unless you’re really sure, and right now we really need to focus on information. Obviously, jail or commute may come into play if you or someone you trust is an obvious target. But I think that the risk/reward generally favors a N1 track unless there is a compelling reason to do something else."
I think this is a solid argument. There are several town PR the JOAT could discover and help keep safe if need be and fewer mafia that could be turned up.

"(4) I wouldn’t mind seeing vanilla town role claims in this game. Mafia’s best shot at taking out a strong PR is the suicide bomber, who cannot be stopped by the doctor. Based on this dynamic, I think a VT PR claim is in play. My understanding is that Webdip as a unit generally opposes such a move, but I think it’s a fair play in this setup."
My thoughts on this can be found in my first post. I think its a good idea, although it could be problematic. When should town claim, how many people should fake claim. It gives the mafia cover to fake claim and produces targets that waste bullets and hurt the town if the Vig gets edgy.

@yoyo - any other opinions besides that meme needs to die?

Oh and -

vig, please DO NOT shoot until at least halfway through the day, if you're going to shoot day one at all. If you have a strong scumread 24 hours in, you're probably wrong

Guak needs to die

@DL - I didn't realize he wasn't in the game either? I never said you guys were dumb just that it was hilarious. I'm also eating turkey. Lol, also not entirely defensive just shocked at a useless question, what did you hope to obtain from my answer? That I'm talking to mafia scum on a side chat instead?

@wjessop - Fair, but you're posting substantial posts now and I assume you're still in bed.

@yoyo - you better not start using UTT

@Wjessop,
I haven't been following the signup thread. Since I personally am Canadian and have been busy with Thanksgiving. I'm sorry if I'm being unfair. I wasn't, and still am not aware of what timezones all players are located in.

That said, I can only judge you on your actions. If all you have the time for right now is joke posting, maybe wait to post when you have more time/energy. Since Balki has made some decent points about why keeping the noise to signal ratio low is a good idea.

@DO quote:

"@wjessop it's that moderately defensive, moderately rude - one word posts that are full of fluff that throws me off."

This is disappointing play, whether DO is scum or not.

You contradict yourself in your own rush to criticise me -- how exactly can a "one word post" also be simultaneously "full of fluff"??

You're trying to force me conveniently into a pre-fabricated box, either to lynch now or later, and it's disturbing. I think you're more intelligent than this, DO.

I'm going to sogn off to bed bow but I think DO's self-contradictory slip up here shouldn't go unchallenged:

DO, you contradict yourself in your own rush to criticise me -- how exactly can a "one word post" also be simultaneously "full of fluff"??

Please explain this.

I don't like how a lot of people are hanging around but not saying much unless prompted, step it up guys. Yoyo and y2k come to mind.