Krellin,
sometimes it isn't about *slugging it out* or whatever. Sometimes it is about the atmosphere. Men and women would get treated differently on this forum and don't try to deny it. And, since they would get treated differently, they might get treated in a way no-one would like to be treated, and leave.

You try to tie every discussion of equal opportunities into your belief in the whole "helping people is condescending" mentality. We know women don't need us to fight their battles. We were expressing sorrow that none decided to stay around here for too long. Calling for equality is not an expression of "these people can't do it themselves" it is an expression of "I agree with these people that they have equal rights". If a minority is being treated unequally, it is a problem for the entire society and not for the minority. Sometimes, the minority simply doesn't have the political power to free itself, and the rest of society does need to help. Your mentality blames the victims for "not trying hard enough" or denies their oppression entirely "clearly, they're okay, since if they weren't, they'd do something".

I agree with you that there are areas of the internet not hostile to women. I don't think we'd be hostile to women. I do think we'd behave in an obnoxious manner, conflating a person with "women" in general.

I agree that women are treated better than ever. Most minorities are. That doesn't mean we don't live in a society dominated by white males. Look at our political representation. Doesn't seem to be 50% women in congress, huh? How about major minorities? Are those represented politically? The LGBT community? None of these are present in the concentration they appear in in reality. Instead, we have white men there.

True that Putin. There's a context here that newer members may be missing, but we have y'all on record with your bullshit.

Fuck people did you see that woman who posted a video of street harassment? All she did was *post a video* and she got threatened with violence.

The internet is a cesspool of dark dark misogyny.

@phil_a_s

The way Draugnar would talk to CetlicFox was a case in point. Like holy shit that dude would not back off.

@Putin

That's actually what I had in mind from most recently, too

It's been funny to me over the years to watch as Reddit has been discovered by the outside world, and to watch the roof get stripped away and see clean bright light illuminating the grotto in which misogynistic troglodytes were sheltered for so long. Only recently has there been any broad, serious challenge to that sort of thing online.

krellin is right. Assuming that women can't handle themselves is sexist. I'm all for equality of opportunity so if there were any women around here I would do them the courtesy of treating them just as crappy as I treat the men around here.

Women just aren't interested in diplomacy even nearly as much as man. If you think that a hobby almost exclusively enjoyed by men can't have a masculine culture to it then you must also argue that they should serve large beers and play NFL matches at jewelry making classes.

#diplomacygamergate

Lmao if you think shit as benign as watching a sports game on TV in any way compares to the rote misogyny that this forum has seen.

Anybody who challenges it gets death threats. See: Anita Sarkeesian.

White men feel threatened that their medium of perpetually dehumanizing women is being exposed, and are on the warpath to viciously attack anybody who takes away their "freedom" to abuse others.

Oh, but that's so narrow minded of me. The defenders of Redpill and Gamergate are the "real" feminists.

Actually, it's about ethics in video gaming journalism

"If you think that a hobby almost exclusively enjoyed by men can't have a masculine culture to it then you must also argue that they should serve large beers and play NFL matches at jewelry making classes."

Ignorant sexist trash.

I know plenty of boardgamers, military strategy gamers who are women. Go to Origins or any boardgaming convention you will see women playing diplomacy.

Webdip has always been hostile to women, and it's never given a shit about it.

And plenty of women love the NFL, genius. It's why the sexual violence scandals have been so damaging to the NFL's brand.

It was in order to talk intelligently to women about football that first got me interested in it, no lie

"yes, your office seems so diverse that it even includes prejudiced white people. very progressive. bleeding edge. Lol "

And while I was trying to have a polite conversation with you, Thucy....you just demonstrate to me that all our conflict in the past was YOUR doing, not mine...as you can't have a conversation without resorting to personal attack.

Fuck you, Thucy. I tried. But your personal attack demonstrates your lack of an intelligent response...and therefore an admission that you are wrong.

I accept your defeat.

Oh come on krellin, I almost wrote bigot but I stepped back because I saw you were trying be nice. Prejudiced is far kinder.

Where do you guys go to discuss gender issues typically? The subject isn't broached all that often on webdip.

I wasn't talking about boardgamers in general, but specifically about Diplomacy. I've been to a ton of FtF Diplomacy events and the number of women was generally about 2% or so. So it's no surprise that this site doesn't attract that many women either.

Women just don't like this game. It's a shame, but it is what it is. In the same way men don't tend to like jewelry making. That's not sexism. That's just freedom of choice.

So, again, what is wrong with a hobby that is mainly enjoyed by men having a masculine culture to it?

"And plenty of women love the NFL, genius. It's why the sexual violence scandals have been so damaging to the NFL's brand."

You're a moron. By your logic it wouldn't have been so damaging if there weren't women fans. And so you're pretty much saying that all men are okay with sexual violence. Well, fuck you and your low opinion of men. I'm a men, and like most men I get just as fucking outraged about this sort of criminal behavior as any women.

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"I'm a men"

Lol

@Thucy

It's that sort of intolerance towards typos that keeps women from joining this site.

"I'm a men" Did you just say that you're a plural group of males?

Damn, Thucy beat me to it.

Fuck off grammar nazis.

"It's that sort of intolerance towards typos that keeps women from joining this site." Pretty sure that one drives away men as well as women.

Moreover, what if the typos themselves drive away women? That sounds like it has literally the same amount of relevance.

You took that seriously, TrPrado? Wow. You must really be lacking in intelligence.

"So, again, what is wrong with a hobby that is mainly enjoyed by men having a masculine culture to it?"

Masculine culture is hateful, violent, and generally gross.

"By your logic it wouldn't have been so damaging if there weren't women fans. "

No, it wouldn't. Most men don't give a shit. See the response by male fans.

"Well, fuck you and your low opinion of men. "

Fuck men and their perpetual need to be violent.

"and like most men I get just as fucking outraged about this sort of criminal behavior as any women."

"Most men" are not outraged by it. They're outraged that their beloved sport is being targeted by the PC police.

Wait, you're taking the things I'M saying seriously, oscar?