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VirtualBob (224 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
Prediction on GR Release Date?
Just wondering ...
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Orka (785 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Join Stranger in a Strange Land-3
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=130718
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Wingnut99 (120 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
I could use a little help with Game 131167
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=131167
I've got 5 open slots and would love to get the game started.
Modern Diplomacy II - Password: tothedeath
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Word of the day
Utilize this thread to post random words and there definitions
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President Eden (2750 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
enjoy to live game
Does it go maybe even of more audaciously?

gameID=696969
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Dec 13 UTC
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First Ever Adult Snow Day
I still have to work, but being paid to do so without pants is pretty fantastic.
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philcore (317 D(S))
08 Dec 13 UTC
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fuck stanford
Fuck the cardinal. That is all.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
10 Dec 13 UTC
Anxiety
Anyone here suffer from anxiety/panic attacks?
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
23 Nov 13 UTC
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Wed Dip F2F 2.
So how about it guys. Any interest? If so when and where would you guys like to meet up?
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Strauss (758 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
Funny games
Does it go maybe even more audaciously?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
26 Nov 13 UTC
What kind of site to create?
I'm going to create a site for school, and ideally it's about something useful, ideally even potentially profitable, or at least breaking me even if I decide to actually get it hosted. Any idea's on what to make it about? Anyone wants a site made by me maybe? I'm just clueless.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Dec 13 UTC
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Reason #501 to Hate Florida
http://puu.sh/5HSzB.png
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SYnapse (0 DX)
02 Dec 13 UTC
How about a public press rap game?
Public press only, all messages must be produced in rhyme and with plenty of expletives
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shadowplay (2162 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
New Variant...
Hey.

Just wanting some advice about how one would begin starting to create a new variant. Thanks in advance.
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Invictus (240 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
How different the world could have been
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ditka-regrets-running-obama-senate-article-1.1481051
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Dec 13 UTC
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AGW - The Myth of Consensus
Read it an weep, Alarmists...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/12/05/global-warming-alarmist-trashes-his-own-poll-of-meteorologists-showing-no-climate-crisis/
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krellin (80 DX)
05 Dec 13 UTC
Fast Food Walk-Out
Headline: Minimum Wage Workers Walk Out in Protest of Minimum Wage
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/12/05/fast-food-workers-strike-for-higher-pay-in-metro-detroit/
Subline: Recently Unemployed Workers Happy with New Minimum Wage Job
Morons...
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Invictus (240 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Look out every one, Invictus' inner lefty is coming out.

If we're going to have a minimum wage (and there are pretty good arguments we shouldn't), the it should be tied to inflation. I read an article a few days ago that if that were the case from 1968 on the minimum wage would be around $15. Not living large by any means, but something one could live on.

Of course, that's still not enough to raise a family. Or to save for retirement. But minimum wage jobs aren't for those people, you say. They're for young kids, etc. Maybe that was true at some point, but unless and until we get the economy growing again at the pace that wages can rise (so, late January 2017 at the earliest), that's not the case.


Of course, we could always abolish the minimum wage and let loose the market generally with rampant deregulation. I'd be much happier with that. But, seeing as we won't get 70 Rand Paul clones in the Senate and 300 in the House anytime soon, we've got to deal with the administrative state as it exists. Tying the minimum wage even has solid right-wing credentials, since it would mean many of those workers could get off of public assistance now that they're making more. In effect, we subsidize businesses by keeping the minimum wage so low and having various aid programs to make up some of the difference in people's needs.
DipperDon (6457 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
The Big Mac in WA is just an example. All fast food, along with other labor intensive goods and services, cost more when there is a higher minimum wage. Raising the minimum wage does nothing to help anyone, except illegal immigrants who more easily find jobs paying cash.
Invictus (240 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
But what about the cost of public assistance programs these people have to go on since their jobs don't pay enough?

It isn't so simple as "raise minimum wage, hurt economy." The interplay is more complicated than that. If we're going to have interventionist economic policies they at least ought to do what they're there for.
DipperDon (6457 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
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You're missing the point entirely. It isn't a mater of "raise minimum wage, hurt economy", it is "raise minimum wage, economic effect is nil".

If you raise the wages at the low end, the the people who directly supervise those people will also need a raise to reward for their extra work and skill. And up the line through each level. In every company in every industry. And that makes the cost of everything go up, offsetting the pay raises. You end up with higher pay and higer priced goods and services.
Invictus (240 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Eh, I'm not buying that. I suppose, say, the McDonald's manager will also get a raise, but why should we expect the executives already making hundreds of times those people's yearly income to also get a raise? Or even anyone already on a salary?

Any way, I'm not even talking about more of raise beyond what is already planned by law. I just want it tied to inflation so the minimum wage doesn't go DOWN as time goes by. That helps no one.
mendax (321 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Minimum wage increases have, throughout history, no correlation with inflation rates. There has been no minimum wage increase that's lead to a massive increase in inflation. DipperDon's arguments are simply not backed by any data.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
But Invictus, most of the well known fast food restaurants are franchises. It may not hurt McD corporate, but all those franchises (the majority of McD stores) have an owner who is already at risk and a couple manager with a ton of minimum wage workers. Those stores *will* go under with a 40-50% increase in minimum wage and that is what you are asking with an increase to 10+ per hour.
"Those stores *will* go under with a 40-50% increase in minimum wage and that is what you are asking with an increase to 10+ per hour"

The most inefficient will go under. That will lead to an increase in traffic at their more efficient competitors, which will keep them in business.
TheJok3r (765 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
And neither are yours Mendax. You just repeat yourself saying there is no correlation. Ok, prove it. I don't have time to contribute at the moment, but I've seen a few good arguments, but mostly just filled with ideas and suggestions that are just asinine.
mendax (321 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-proposed-minimum-wage-act-170004748.html

The second chart in that article is the sort of thing i'm referring to.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Those stores barely male a profit as it is. It has nothing to do with efficiency. The restaurant business is one of the toughest entrepreneurial businesses to enter into. Take a few business courses and learn just has hard restaurant franchises are and the minimal margins they operate on.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
You consider fast food chains to be restaurants?

That's insulting to every restaurant out there.
Invictus (240 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
They could always, gasp, raise the price of the food. And at any rate, it's not as if we're talking about only applying this to franchise restaurants.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
In so far as they prepare and serve food, yes. If you have to nuke/cook it yourself, them they are a grocer. If they cook it for you and serve it to you be it through a window, over a counter, or to your table, them they are a restaurant by law. They have to have a food service (aka restaurant) license the same as a restaurant, something a grocer or convenience store does not require. That said, I didn't say they were fine quality restaurants. I'm a woodworker, but I'm not a fine furniture builder. Same difference.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
Sure, the key there is that at McDonald's, they don't cook it for you, they just take it out and nuke it for you. Ergo, they are not a grocer because you don't have to nuke/cook it yourself, but they are not a restaurant because they didn't cook it to order for you, they cooked it and then gave it to you 8 hours later, sometimes warm, sometimes not. That would be an "eatery." Because you eat food there. Sometimes - other times, you eat shit, but usually there is some expectation of actual edible things.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Invictus - you do realize that McD, Wendy's, and BK are all franchise based restaurants. That means that more then 80% of the stores are owned by a small businessman or group. It also means they are forced to have prices set by corporate (the franchiser) or they lose their license. Seriously, tale a business class or two. Other major franchise operations include Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, BW3, Chili's, Macaroni, Steak & Shake, and IHOP. All of these would be put at risk by a 40-50% minimum wage increase. Go do a little research on franchising rights and responsibilities found in the typical franchise contract.
Invictus (240 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
I actually do know a little bit about franchising. Enough to know that every state is quite different and you can't say much about it nationally.

And AGAIN, I'm not advocating raising the minimum wage more than it's set to go up by or could in future go up by based off of sound economic analysis. All I'm talking about is tying it to inflation so it doesn't go down as time goes by.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Not gonna argue about it Bo. The point is that they serve food, sometimes, and often that food is what the minimum wage household eats.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
"No. The bet was that my self-imposed debate restraint wouldn't last as long as my silencing. The only term in question was the dollar amount. I was away for three weeks approximately, but will give it to the end of the year, granting you an extra week. If I don't post in a debate thread before January 1st, you owe me 500 , If I do, I owe you any points I have (up to 500) plus $100 will go to the site in your name, giving you a gold badge."

- Draugnar

#suckstosuck #threadderail
loowkey (132 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
The rents in Detroit are cheap. $400- $500 bachlor apts. Easy to live on minimum wage
loowkey (132 D)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Living single
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Actually, I haven't noticed any vitriol with anyone whom I am discussing the topic with. Should one of them become vitriolic, I shall leave this discussion.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
It was regarding a debate, not a vitriolic argument. You are debating.
Draug - you're absolutely right in your analysis of the impact of a wage increase on a franchisee. If, you say, most fast food restaurants are operated by franchisers and if their margins are so low that they will go out of business due to the wage increase, then yes that single firm will go out of business. However, you have to take a step back and look at it from an industry level rather than a firm level. Apply that same logic to every restaurant, and you're suddenly predicting that fast food will cease to exist if there is a minimum wage increase. There will always be a demand for fast food and there will always be someone willing to supply it at the right price.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Invictus - State law with regards to civil contracts is normally minimally intrusive and the national franchises have prewritten contracts for each state (and several countries for the multi-nationals like Yumm and McD) so that they are pretty ironclad yet in the franchise IP holders favor.

I am saying that, while it won't affect the overall economy, what the liberals are trying go get *will* affect certain sectors of industry including fast food, movie theaters, and small mom and pop businesses.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
@gf - Yes, someone will eventually. Or we will find certain sectors have to change the way they do business. But it is naive to think you can take the wages of 95% of a sectors employees and increase them 50% and not expect that sector to have to respond in some way to cover for the damages.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
Bo - they don't do points transfers, but my Christmas present to you is a gold badge. I will do the $100 donation in your name next weekend when I get my first paycheck. Don't want to dip into savings just for that.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
Lol, no, don't donate for me. It's all bragging rights.
krellin (80 DX)
07 Dec 13 UTC
If you raise the price of fast food 40- 50% to compensate.for the massive wage increase you will lose 40-50% of your sales and stores.go under. What moron is going to spend $40-$50 to feed a.family of 4 a lousy McDonald's meal.

You silly liberals with your STATIC view of economies are.truly silly. Cause an and effect. You raise wages...prices go up....sales go down..

Remember when government wants less of.something....smoking for example....they RAISE PRICES via taxes.

Seriously....what don't you silly monkeys grasp about that concept.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Dec 13 UTC
A 40-50% price increase does not automatically mean a 40-50% sales decrease. McDonald's would likely see very few long-term effects; brand loyalty is too high.

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redhouse1938 (429 D)
06 Dec 13 UTC
FIFA 2014 Draft
Let's discuss this in great detail
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Aquargo88 (100 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Reporting Suspicions of Multi/Metagaming
How do I go about reporting what I believe to be unfair play in a gunboat game?
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hecks (164 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
NSA Inflitrates WoW
http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/09/report-nsa-snoops-online-video-games/

Where do I post accusations that a player is a government operative?
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
What happens when you run out of points?
What happens when you run out of points to bet with?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Dec 13 UTC
FPS for Wii
Are there any decent First Person Shooters For Wii?
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guilherme.limoni (168 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
How do I report wrong orders? (URGENT)
Hi, Guys,

How do I repport problems on my orders in WebDiplomacy? I couldn't find it on FAQ.
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ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ (106 D)
08 Dec 13 UTC
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Win-Win?
So apparently, a 15 year old kid traded his PS3 for sex. The woman, 22, was charged with statutory rape.
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Randomizer (722 D)
08 Dec 13 UTC
Wal-Mart Tasering Class Action Lawsuit
I saw a commercial from a legal firm looking for people that have been tasered by Wal-Mart security. After the incident on Black Friday it's about time that it happened. Depending upon the victim's health a taser can cause heart attacks and fracture bones especially since this "safe" weapon gets used multiple times.
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Brewmachine (104 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
New and Imrpoved CENSORED Pornography thread!
It's not inappropriate if you can't see those mysterious spots! Let have fun in confidence and good will!

Here http://ow.ly/rzynX
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Game ID
how do you get a game ID.
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Vallk (904 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Replacement Cuba required
gameID=129850

Strong position, join up.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
08 Dec 13 UTC
XBOX one
So many adverts for these and I can't get one for love or money for my boys. Any ideas?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
08 Dec 13 UTC
Stop not showing up for live games
Seriously cut it out. What a complete ease of time, get your shit together.
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