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Triumvir (1193 D)
30 Sep 13 UTC
SoW, Fall 2013 - Professors' Commentary
The official thread for the SoW commentary. Please: only SoW professors should be making posts in here. Thank you.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Sep 13 UTC
The blankmind-free thread
We have 18-ish hours left. So let's talk Princess Diana. Seriously, who wouldn't believe that the British royal family is a bunch of alien reptiles?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
30 Sep 13 UTC
Been waiting on mod reply for an hour
Are there no mods on?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
26 Sep 13 UTC
Capitalism..... it won't last, it can't last
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24277277
The current US economic model based on capitalist ideology is unsustainable, if the US govt don't make changes soon the decision will be taken out of their hands, a run on the US$ is a lot closer than you think.
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
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Let me illustrate my talking about my own job. I do real estate title searches for a law firm that specializes in Foreclosure work. Our biggest and most important client is the government, either through Fannie Mae or through the Secretary of HUD. All of our other clients are required to meet regulations and standards set by the Federal government. I spend a great deal of time in regular training required by those government entities. A great many of the requirements for the work I produce are dictated by those entities. In the past five years, the scope of their involvement has greatly increased, and with that the demands they place on how and what we produce.

That's not a free market. I often feel I am working as a sort of off-the-books government employee.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"putin, the no true Scotsman fallacy is, indeed, a fallacy, but it also doesn't follow that every man is a Scotsman"

Then please tell me who is a Scotsman, if not the leading capitalist countries in the world.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
Monopoly is never inevitable in a free market economy because the demands of the market change too rapidly to allow a monopoly. In fact monopoly is virtually impossible the larger a free market is because it is impossible for one supplier to meet the tastes of all market participants if they are free to satisfy their individual, unique, eccentric tastes.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
Putin, you need to define what a Scotsman is. You are the one who brought it up without clearly defining the ambiguous phrase you used.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
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If you read history, you know that back in the good old monarchial days, most industries were highly regulated. Monopolies were granted for the production of commodities, or the rights to trade in certain ways, or in grants of land. This was a nice system for the monarch, who could get rich off the lobbying for those valuable grants, and also for the well-connected who could win the grants. It was not a free market. It was not a command economy, as in the USSR. But it was an economy based on privilege and on graft. It is strikingly similar to what we are developing in the USA today. It's good to be the king, and it's good to be one of the king's favorites.
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Sep 13 UTC
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"Then please tell me who is a Scotsman, if not the leading capitalist countries in the world."

They are more capitalist than anybody else, but they are hardly exemplars of pure laissez-faire capitalism. Nobody is, or nobody major. There is nothing wrong with analyzing and recognizing the different economic and ideological influences that have gone into different policies and decisions, and discussing which ones might not have been made by adherents of another system.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
The British East India Company, Dutch East India Company, Dutch West India Company, and the Royal African Company all had monopolies bestowed by their governments.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
John James Cowperthwaite's term as financial secretary of Hong Kong is best exemplar of laissez-faire, free market capitalism in the 20th century.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"Nobody is, or nobody major."

Then your system is irrelevant so stop talking about it as if matters or can inform anybody about what the optimal policy is. If your version of free markets worked then they would exist. You laissez faire types throw up all these criticisms but ignore your own historical record of abysmal failure, claiming that every example of free market failure didn't meet your own bizarre definition of free market.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
An island strategically located near several massive markets and entirely dependent on trade is the only example you can come up with.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
And only for a short period of time, at that.
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Sep 13 UTC
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"Then your system is irrelevant so stop talking about it as if matters or can inform anybody about what the optimal policy is. If your version of free markets worked then they would exist."

Wait, does this mean you'll stop talking about Communism?
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"Monopoly is never inevitable in a free market economy because the demands of the market change too rapidly to allow a monopoly. In fact monopoly is virtually impossible the larger a free market is because it is impossible for one supplier to meet the tastes of all market participants if they are free to satisfy their individual, unique, eccentric tastes."

Nonsense, first eccentric tastes cannot be met with respect to certain markets because start-up costs and infrastructure costs are too prohibitive to cater to every taste. Second, large companies can simply wipe out the competition by underpricing their goods and operating at a loss until the upstarts cannot compete anymore. Consumer tastes matter little in a market economy.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"Wait, does this mean you'll stop talking about Communism?"

Socialism has existed and continues to exist. Your ideology stopped being relevant in the 20th century.
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Sep 13 UTC
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"Socialism has existed and continues to exist. Your ideology stopped being relevant in the 20th century. "

I asked about Communism. Communism is a particular kind of socialism, just as laissez-faire capitalism is a particular kind of capitalism.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"If you read history, you know that back in the good old monarchial days, most industries were highly regulated."

What counts as the "good old monarchial (sic) days"? I'm sure you'll change it based on whatever is convenient, so are we talking 1700s?
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
Communism is a stage of socialism that has never existed because the conditions have not been met. Nor do I talk about it unless people like you confuse the terms. It's not a "particular kind of socialism".
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
" you need to define what a Scotsman is."

A capitalist country. Ownership of the means of production is privately owned, and the organizing mechanism is the market.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
So why can I buy a computer custom made computer or laptop made to my specific specifications? Why are there so many choices of tables. Why so many types of phones. Why so many internet providers? Why so many different clothing choices, food choices, shoe choices, veterinary choices, and on and on and on.

There are no natural monopolies in free market capitalism because the market changes too fast. Monopolies only occur when government freezes entry into the marketplace or inhibits innovation.

semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Sep 13 UTC
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"Communism is a stage of socialism that has never existed because the conditions have not been met."

Well, if socialism worked, they would have been met. (Paraphrasing you from above). So stop talking about it.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
According to your argument Putin there should be a monopoly in computers because "consumer tastes matter little in a market economy." So why doesn't everyone have the same, standard, cheap computer. There needs of the consumer mean little right?
Yet the reality is that there is no one standard computer made by a monopoly manufacturer who drove everyone else out of business.
I do appreciate you make insanely stupid statements that are so easily demolished Putin.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"So why can I buy a computer custom made computer or laptop made to my specific specifications? Why are there so many choices of tables. Why so many types of phones. Why so many internet providers? Why so many different clothing choices, food choices, shoe choices, veterinary choices, and on and on and on. "

But I thought we didn't live in a free market economy? Or are you dissenting from your friends here?

How many types of Operating System are there?. Windows has about 85% of the market share for desktop OS. Did the government give Microsoft some special privileges?

"Why are there so many choices of tables"

Because furniture companies make lousy products and no company has emerged as a market leader.

"Why so many types of phones"

Are you kidding? 4 companies comprise 95% of the market. What variety are you talking about? Everybody I see is running around with the same kind of phone.

"Why so many internet providers?"

LOL.

"There are no natural monopolies in free market capitalism because the market changes too fast."

Big companies have the resources to adapt to market changes. Start-ups and smaller companies do not. They offer less products and fewer services. You're not going to see small telecoms lay down fiber optics. Your version of monopoly might sound nice to you, blame the government for everything, but it isn't reality.

Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
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Why aren't all cars the same color, the same price, and from the same manufacturer Putin? Entrance costs are too high and consumer tastes matter little. In fact at one time Ford sold almost all the cars in the United States, but the market destroyed Ford's market share. Alfred Sloan realized that consumers had unique, individual, eccentric tastes and he met them by developing brand lines with different models and styles and colors and etc. etc. etc.

You make such ignorant statements about capitalism Putin because you are a Soviet with no comprehension of the world outside the Stalinist paradigm. Your intellect is trapped in the old Soviet Union and you fall behind the real world more and more with each passing second. You are an anachronism Putin.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"(Paraphrasing you from above)"

You calling it paraphrasing doesn't make it paraphrasing. It's distorting. Which is typical .I said I don't talk about it. Apparently that point was difficult to comprehend so I'll repeat it for you. I don't talk about communism. I only talk about the definition when people like you who don't have a clue about socialism butcher the definition and I have to correct you. Otherwise, I stick firmly to the first stage of socialism.

But anything to deflect from the fact that your ideology is irrelevant but you're still here, behaving as if we should care about what you say about economics.
Emac (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
You can always tell when Putin's mind is overloaded. He starts throwing out the desperate red herrings trying to distract from the argument at hand where his premise was demolished.

Nope Putin, defend your statement. You made claims that "eccentric tastes cannot be met" and that "start-up costs and infrastructure costs are too prohibitive to cater to every taste" and that "large companies can simply wipe out the competition by underpricing their goods and operating at a loss until the upstarts cannot compete" and finally that "consumer tastes matter little in a market economy."

Every one of these statements is a completely false premise, and since these false premises form the base of your entire argument about free markets they make your entire argument invalid.

No wonder you are throwing out the red herrings trying to change the subject from the colossal falsehoods in your posts.
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Sep 13 UTC
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"Which is typical .I said I don't talk about it. Apparently that point was difficult to comprehend so I'll repeat it for you."

Actually, the "it" in this sentence referred to "socialism." Read again and you'll note this yourself.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
mo·narchi·al (m-närk-l) adj. variant of monarchal
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"but the market destroyed Ford's market share"

So the highly protectionist - Japanese government supported firms of Honda & Toyota, which eroded Ford's market share, is an example of your market working?

Got it.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"Read again and you'll note this yourself."

How does it follow that if the second stage of socialism hasn't yet been implemented, this means the first stage doesn't work?

That's not paraphrasing my argument in the slightest. First, because laissez-faire capitalism is not an advanced stage of capitalism. Second, because it at one point was the dominant ideology of the leading economic powers of the world, who then proceeded to abandon it when it failed miserably.
Putin33 (111 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
"He starts throwing out the desperate red herrings trying to distract from the argument at hand where his premise was demolished."

Projection. You and your buddies here are throwing out all sorts of distractions and side comments about socialism in order to deflect from the fact that laissez-faire capitalism has utterly failed and not practiced anywhere on the planet for a very long time. Your buddies have no attention span whatsoever and can't stay on topic for longer than one post. Nor can you argue with engaging in lame and repetitive ad hominem attacks.


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blankflag (0 DX)
30 Sep 13 UTC
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bannable offense
the seymour hersh joins the blank club http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media
suggests abc and nbc be shut down and 90% of corporate media news editors of today should be fired
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josunice (3702 D(S))
29 Sep 13 UTC
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Please Remove that Password Warning...
I play on a cell and don't have the real estate to spare. Seriously? Does anyone truly need that warning?
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nudge (284 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
Earworm alert!
Stuck in my head is "Rio" by Michael Nesmith. Help me!!!!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Sep 13 UTC
NFL Week 4: Pick 'em--Do Must-Win Games Exist in Week 4? And Who Stays Undefeated?
We kick things off tonight as Colin Kaepernick, Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers hope to remind folks why they were the NFC Champions last year...by playing one of the teams who gave them the most trouble last year, the Rams! The 0-3 Giants try and prove they're not dead (yet) against the Alex Smith, Andy Reid and the surprisingly-alive Chiefs...and a battle of undefeated teams on MNF, the Saints and ...Dolphins??? Let's get started, Week 4--PICK 'EM!
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josunice (3702 D(S))
29 Sep 13 UTC
Just a Reminder... (Next Suggestion Here)
Best post goes to Kestas! What might the next warning be?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
28 Sep 13 UTC
Can a European legally buy/wear a gun in America...
...without doing anything special other than being in America, being over 21 and paying for the gun? Also if you can, is this regular bussiness? Are there, like, gun shops near airports so all the foreigners coming in can rent/buy guns?
Just trying to understand this part of American gun laws.
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Triumvir (1193 D)
29 Sep 13 UTC
A TA or Two
We could use another TA or two for the SoW game. If you're interested, post in the SoW thread. Thanks.
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blankflag (0 DX)
29 Sep 13 UTC
the navy uses mixed caps?
i think i am going to vomit. the navy is now allowing mixed caps in its communications. once a bastion of all-caps, the organization was inflicted this year with the plague of mixed caps that has infiltrated society. almost as disgusting as the mixed-caps road signs.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
27 Sep 13 UTC
Why?
Why is it that the mall shooting in Kenya is getting so much more press than the church massacre in Pakistan?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10334556/Christians-now-suffering-mass-martyrdom-says-Archbishop-of-Canterbury.html
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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
27 Sep 13 UTC
Automated Disbandment - who knew?
I really don't understand the logic :) http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=124968#gamePanel.
Why did a fleet west of Texas survive and an army near Florida disband, for the Florida player? Thought it was "closest to home survives"?
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blankflag (0 DX)
29 Sep 13 UTC
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breaking: jmos mother worked at a thermometer factory
while pregnant to make ends meet
http://www.naturalnews.com/042225_mercury_exposure_homosexuality_ibises_bird.html
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blankflag (0 DX)
28 Sep 13 UTC
bought off tech corporations: how we get to 1984!
are you one of those naive people thinking that if your computer is off and not connected to the internet that you cannot be spied upon? http://www.infowars.com/91497/
so... apparently modern intel processors have the ability to (assuming your computer is plugged in, or is a laptop with a battery in it) be turned on remotely, and can be controlled through a secret backdoor 3G capability that you do not have access to.
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Flex01 (29 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
Problem with gameID=126551
Italian player of game ID=126551 claim that "The moves done by the site algorithm was not the ones [he] did", write a global message and leaves the game!
I don't know if someone could verify that, but is it possible to put the game in such a mode where a new player could pick up his country ? The game is in Spring 1902 and the situation of Italy is fine. Thx
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Emac (0 DX)
26 Sep 13 UTC
Scary parts of the Affordable Care Act
If you aren't American the particulars of the ACA don't affect you. If you are American you need to educate yourself on the truly scary nature of the law leaving completely aside the political debate. It is the law and it has real consequences for Americans.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Sep 13 UTC
I fail at gunboat
But it's OK. Gunboat is not real diplomacy.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=126628
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
26 Sep 13 UTC
England solo. Sweet....
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
22 Sep 13 UTC
This one is for Thucy
Since you keep claiming Syria was a victory for Obama, heres a good article about why it wasn't:

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21586565-deal-over-syrias-chemical-weapons-marks-low-those-who-cherish-freedom-weakened-west
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2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
27 Sep 13 UTC
Banned Books
What book is ruining our country the most this year? Captain Underpants. Thanks a lot Obama.

http://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
25 Sep 13 UTC
My email was hacked
And so, my email was hacked by the FBI.
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
Need a 7th
gameID=126757
Got a CD in the first year, so we're rebooting. PM me for the password. 36-hour turns, PPSC, cheap entry, Anon, full press.
Mods: couldn't find the 'Advertise non-live games' thread, so I started this one (sorry if I missed it).
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Sep 13 UTC
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IPCC finally admit it's not lying
mobile.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24292615
What is actually in the current report.
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blankflag (0 DX)
22 Sep 13 UTC
7 in 10 americans: bailouts benefitted the banks
even 5 years after recession policies started, 3 in 10 americans still deny the fact that they were designed to benefit large banks and financial institutions. at the expense of the rest of the country and the economy as a whole

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/20/majority-of-americans-say-banks-large-corporations-benefitted-most-from-u-s-economic-policies/
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SYnapse (0 DX)
20 Sep 13 UTC
Websites
Can anyone make me a cheap website?
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grking (100 D)
26 Sep 13 UTC
News?
This question may have been asked before, but where do you all get your news? Also, which do you all think is the best organization for news?
I've recently been using BBC and Al Jazeera.
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2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
26 Sep 13 UTC
Dialect Quiz
http://spark.rstudio.com/jkatz/DialectQuiz/
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Sep 13 UTC
Feel Free to Shoot the Messenger
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-rifle-mimics-machine-gun-s-rapid-fire----and-it-s-legal-145153186.html 450 rounds per minute. Explain to me why you want/need that, gun fans. This isn't even a 2nd Amendment challenge on my part, since I lost that fight here LONG ago. :) But...come on...I'm legitimately curious--450 rounds per minute? Are deer/home invaders suddenly taking running lessons from the Flash? WHY? (And why stop there, how about 1,000 rounds minute!)
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