And before you say "I would have said that about him if he was white!":

When I was 17 I was suspended from school and foolishly drank alcohol and smoked weed. I nearly failed two classes because I skipped incessantly. I didn't listen to my parents and snuck out constantly.

Basically, about as bad as Martin.

But you know, partly because I am white after all, I did graduate. Then I went to college and graduated there as well. Never been to jail.

In the same situation as a black dude, who knows. Maybe I would have indeed ended up like my black friend who got involved in a gang and is now in jail for manslaughter because of a stray bullet fired during a drug deal gone bad.

I could judge him. But the truth is I could have just as easily gone down that path, if I'd led a different life.

But, again, I'm white.

This allowed me to go up to my physics teacher, who perceived me as smart (this is much easier perception to promulgate as a white boy), and ask to be bumped up from failing.

This allowed me to talk my way out of being arrested for underage drinking.

This allowed me to interact with my discipliners at school as a "nice white kid who just got caught up in some trouble" whereas, the black friend I mentioned, was antagonized from the beginning. If they had treated me like that, I probably would have talked back too.

Not to mention the fact that everyone around me, parents, adults, teachers, friends, all assumed I was headed to college. But my black friend, same intelligence, same grades, same behavior - everyone just wanted to know about his basketball playing. They always asked him if he had gotten any college scholarships from it.

They never asked me about scholarships - they just asked what college I was going to.

Now I'm here in Senegal developing my career, my friend is in jail for 15 years or something.

This is a great world. America. Such a progressive place. Political correctness sure has gotten out of control, hasn't it?

"...I forget where you come from you can convict someone by the colour of their skin ....... what do you call it, guilty until proven innocent. ..."

Oh...you mean how Zimmerman was guilty until proven innocent because he *had* to be racist?

Fucktard.

If you carry a concealed weapon, JUST to kill black people, then you're a racist.

He didn't carry a concealed weapon JUST to kill black people. He carries a concealed weapon to defend himself from attack. If Zimmerman hadn't been carrying that night, he would be dead.

"...If you carry a concealed weapon, JUST to kill black people,.."

Yes, because the magical trigger and fairy bullets only kill the negroes. God bless the magical gnomes weapon smiths!

When civilised countries criticise the USA for being a bit backward and it confuses you look at some of these threads and see why the educated still think you guys have got some ways to go. You can put lipstick on an idiot and dress them in the stars and stripes but at the end of the day .....

Actually, since we separated from Europe and then advanced civilization by leaps and bounds...there a damn good bit of evidence it is the Europeans, etc that are backwards and have a bit of catching up to do.

See, you are used to being disarmed by your governments and turned in to minions of the state.

We enjoy freedom.

I certainly know this...if catching up to the Europeans means becoming some smug, pompous ass...who incidentally comes whining and crying to the US every time they need a helping hand...then I'll gladly remain a lipstick covered pig.

It's better than being some foul European troglodyte who can't see how fucked up he really is.

We admit we have problems in the US, then we debate said problems and try to come up with solutions.

You fucktards in Europe are too stupid to even grasp you have problems.

I truly pity you.

Except for the French - who are doing a bully good job of oppressing radical Islam...

How's that socialism working out for you?

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/european-debt-crisis/european-economic-outlook-grows-darker

How's that government instituted racism working out for ya?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100767652

It isn't. But if Calvin Coolidge was president, we wouldn't have as much racism.

Holy shit Sbyvl is taking that challenge seriously.

I hope that the mods will too.

Not anymore. I found out it was against the rules

If it was 4 or 5 threads they'd probably let it slide but 60? No way.

Back to Obama and his stupid speech then.

Gunfighter, I'm not doing sixty. I stopped at eight when I was told it was spamming

So Thucy - You admit you're a racist. Because I didn't mention race once in that statement but you read it as such and we read into thinsg what we believe, that is to say, you read racism into it because you *are* racist.

Additionally, you act as if there are two races: black and white. There are a whole myriad of races, including hispanic which is what <*gasp*> George Zimmerman is!

Interesting how people from the left keep saying race, race, race about this case and then say: look, we told you so, this is all about race!

Self-deluding prophecy...

"Interesting how people from the left keep saying race, race, race about this case and then say: look, we told you so, this is all about race!"

Interesting how black people** keeping saying race, race, race about this case and then say: look, we told you so, this is all about race!

FTFY

"you read racism into it because you *are* racist."

Against whom, exactly?

"including hispanic which is what <*gasp*> George Zimmerman is!"

There is no "Hispanic" race. It's an ethnicity. Have you ever filled out a census form?

@redhouse

http://www.people-press.org/2013/07/22/big-racial-divide-over-zimmerman-verdict/

But, you know, it's not about race.

Hang on let me put on some sunscreen brb

Draugnar, the fact that you cannot see how your judgment of Trayvon Martin's character is colored by race is.. frankly shocking and, at the same time, completely predictable for someone with a latent racial bias.

You ever done the Project Implicit test?

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Draugnar,

I invite you to look over the tweets of this account:

https://twitter.com/TonyTCOT

And then read about Poe's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

And then compare your own beliefs and statements on this forum to Tony TCOT.

Please return with your (doubtlessly) thoughtful reactions.

There is no "Black" race, it's an ethnicity. Have you ever filled out a census form?

The only people who made this a race thing are certain members of the black community and the media.

Zimmerman did not get out of his car because Martin was black. Zimmerman did not shoot Martin because Martin was black. Zimmerman was raised in a multi-racial household and was known to have amicable relations with black people in his pre-shooting personal life.

"I have black friends, so I can't be racist!"

Is this 1983?