I don't like either ghug or Chaqa right now. And the fact that they both alighted on Moscow one right after the other with very loose reasons is even more concerning.

Ghug I suspect for oversharing about camping making him less active than he'd like to be. It's being too specific in explaining why he's not posting as much. He's not someone to give a shit about being inactive. It smacks of TrPrado a while back describing his "illness" in minute detail to camofluage his lurking.

Chaqa as I've already stated made that over specific VT claim in his first post and stated he's going to lurk. He got called out for it and continues to draw heat for it, and viola, he's not lurking as much as he said he would.

Also, I don't have to point out to the veterans that he and ghug have nary an interaction in this game. Even if what they say outside the game is true, we all know that they tend to squabble in these games. This last thing is meta and not terribly strong evidence, and not enough alone to justify voting for one of the two, but it does add to the above, more significant info.

@ghug, all the role PMs are on the first page of this thread. Still not following you.

@y2k, what bothered me most about krellin was his defense of brainbomb. I explained that before.

what bothers you about me now? we're well past your first post/vote.

Moscosw -- if you agree with my "low hanging fruit" argument -- that Warden is trying to kill me because he thinks I'm easy to kill because I'm "toxic"...and when I flip town he can brush off the "why did you lead a town lynch?" question by saying "because everyone knows krlelins a dick" and they all nod their head....

IF you agree that Warden has no case, and therefore trying to besmirch me and gather votes against me....then you would likewise agree that his actions constitute that of a Scum....

Therefore -- join me in voting against him?

##CALL GM Vote Count

Mafia XVIII Day 1
Official Vote Count 6.0:

y2kjbk (3): xorxes, DemonRHK, Yoyoyozo
captainmeme (4): WardenDresden, Jamiet99uk, goldfinger0303, Vecna
Chaqa (4): trip, OB_GYN_Kenobi, MoscowFleet, krellin
WardenDresden (1): Hellenic Riot
ghug (1): brainbomb
xorxes (1): y2kjbk
teacon7 (1): VashtaNeurotic
MoscowFleet (2): ghug, Chaqa

Unvoted (2): ND, teacon7
Not voted (3): captainmeme, Maniac, reedeer1

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched!

You have 3 hours and 10 minutes remaining until the end of Election Day 1!

Goddamn wj you're way too fast for me

@krellin - If the vote count shifts in a way that my vote against Chaqa doesn't matter, I will vote for Warden.

And yet you're the site moderator :)

##GM Note

@ghug: All non-VTs received the VT message within the script of their Role PM. It was simply that we added this to the Inventor's Role PM because that was the most expansive and that role description needed to provide as much clarity as possible.

@goldfinger et al: Please do not +1 posts in the game thread made by players participating in the game, for obvious reasons. The only posts that can be +1ed are the ones from bo and myself, the GM team.

I don't like the Chaqa lynch, Y2k lynch, or my own lynch (obviously).

I'm okay with MoscowFleet but I'm not 100% on that right now. Reiterating my question:

@MoscowFleet - Why did you feel it necessary to push the fact that you were new to the game so hard in your post on Page 18? Everyone knows you are new to the game, what do you gain from repeating that fact over and over?

One other thing that caught my attention was HR's angry reaction to bb on page 15.

"Alright, brainbomb. You are the person who claims to have read all the previous Mafia games. You repeatedly bring it up that you have. So why the actual fuck are you saying that me being fairly quiet early on is out of character? I do this EVERY. SINGLE. GAME."

Getting angry at bb is not exactly unusual, but it's not like HR to snap at someone like that, even if it was just for one paragraph. That was a very aggressive rebuttal and I don't think I've seen HR do this before.

For now ##Vote MoscowFleet.

@captmeme - Push the fact? I mentioned it twice in 4 paragraphs. If you skim every post looking for something suspicious, you will find something suspicious.

Whoah, it was Goldfinger who was giving other players' posts a "+1", really?
Shame on you, Goldy, you know better than that.

Dammit Jamie, it wasn't me. Read what I said because wjessop clearly didn't. I caught other people doing it and brought it up.

I'm still keeping an eye on captain, but for now I'm going to ##VOTE XORXES. It falls in line with the D1 strategy I want to test, he anchored his vote early and hasn't made a convincing case since then.

@Maniac, @redeer - who are you going to vote for? I think you've both avoided voting at all today.

##GM Note
@goldfinger: Perhaps you should read my message before being insulting to the GMs.

I clearly did read your message and that's why I responded to you directly, so you could see I was replying and had taken note of your concern, and then I added "et al" to direct the message to all players. Or would you have rather me addressed it to "everyone else apart from goldfinger", perhaps.

Concentrate on your own comprehension skills, mister.

Sorry, I clearly have the same comprehension issue. It looked to me as if Wjessop's post was a rebuke to Goldfinger. Sorry to both.

By the way, I have re-read most people up to page 20. I have a few more things to check and will then post a few reads.

So, Warden has once again returned and finally made some comments on other people. These comments stretch to "krellin is more toxic than usual" and "brainbomb seems a bit off compared to my 1 game sample size". Hmmmm.

Come now, Warden. I asked for your reads on other people and it took you many posts and over a day later to come up with anything on anyone except Captainmeme. You're not someone I would expect to have to extract information from in the same painful manner as extracting teeth. You've given reads on 3/21 players and ignored pretty much everybody else. What do you have?


I also very much dislike the MoscowFleet vote. It reminds me all too much of the DemonRHK vote last game, and what Goldie said about just pressing a noob until they break seems very accurate. Last game, SkiingCougar was genuinely scummy but DemonRHK talked more, and then broke under pressure. Unless a noob does something genuinely scummy (like Cougar and his horrific OMGUS & "joke" scum claim), I don't want to pressure them like we're some bunch of hazing fratboys. With no baseline to compare it to it really tells us nothing.

From the other newbies; I very much like trip's lines of questioning and pressure on MF & xorxes (even if I think the pressure on MF is misplaced), though teacon seems to be doing a whole lot of nothing and I want to see some actual reads and questioning rather than generic strategy posts.

y2k strikes me as very conservative here and I think he's jumped from one easy vote to another until now. This xorxes vote does look a lot better though and I don't particularly like how xorxes is squirming against this pressure, especially as I can remember nothing of note that xorxes has done thus far. I'd not be opposed to voting xorxes if Warden can provide some sensible reads.

@GM's why are you giving different wording in the role PMs than what is stated on page 1.

ghug asked why princess peach says "Concerned Citizen" In its role PM.

Inventor:
You are Princess Peach, the Inventor!
During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be lynched and barred from the election process by the Citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom at the end of the day. During the night, you tend to your inventions. You have 3 items you can invent: a Blaster Gun; a Magic Mushroom potion; and a Flower Power booster. You can invent as many of each item as you like in the game, but you must distribute each of the 3 items before you can replenish your invention stockpile. Players receiving an item must use the item in the according game level (Day/Night) for which they receive the item, i.e., if the Inventor provides the Item to you after Night 1, you can only use your item in Day 2/Night 2 before it disappears

It simply doesnt say that in the description and the GM code of ethics has been regrettably comprimised here.Why clarify a question that was never called to the GMs

wjessop:

@ghug: All non-VTs received the VT message within the script of their Role PM. It was simply that we added this to the Inventor's Role PM because that was the most expansive and that role description needed to provide as much clarity as possible.

If ghug is claiming PR and the GM staff just let that slip I will drop out of this game as that is completely inappropriate.

So I am not going to be on at EOD because of track practice, but that means I need to catch up and post some now, so this is a post when I am still back on page 16. my top reads are Y2K and OB_GYN, but stuff might have changed later. for now ##Vote OB_GYN

xorxes started with a vote on me in his first post, and fails to follow up on it at all, and he keeps falling back into the lurky void the couple of times I've tried to address him in the last few hours of the game. i don't think he's being pensive as some have surmised, I think he's intentionally hiding his thought process, as scum are wont to do.

##GM Note

@brainbomb: If you have concerns, come to the GMs in a PM. Otherwise, it may appear that GMs are being unduly brought in to the gameplay.

All I will say is that you appear to be confused. I answered exactly what Ghug asked for:

Quoting Ghug on Page 21:
"the role description for someone said something about receiving the VT role PM as well. I only skimmed the opening post for things I didn't know, so I falsely assumed it was for everyone who wasn't VT. ##CALLGM did any non-VTs get the VT PM in addition to their own? "

If you do have any more concerns after this, please PM myself and bo.

So, redeer immediately pops online as soon as his name is mentioned. Anchors on someone who doesn't have any votes, and seemingly is ok with that while not coming back before EOD. Curious.

##CALL GM: Please can you respond to Brainbomb's question about the Princess Peach role PM?


For now here is my table of reads, very incomplete:

Top TOWN READS:

ND
Trip
Jamiet99uk
OB_Gyn

Slight TOWN:

Brainbomb
WardenDresden
y2kjbk
Teacon

Top SCUM READS:

Yoyoyozo
Captainmeme
Vecna
Goldfinger

Slight SCUM:

DemonRHK
Redeer1


Everyone else fairly null at this point.

@goldie - at the moment I'm thinking krellin, brainbomb, moscowfleet, y2k and xorxes could be scum, (in no particular order).

I wouldn't vote for Teacon7 or Goldie today.

@HR I am not at my computer. I am stealing moments at work to even respond. I can't even remember the names of all 21 other players off the top of my head, let alone offer reads on them without a reminder and time to put the post together. And just because I am focusing on one player does bot mean I am ignoring others. The players I have mentioned have done the most egregious or noticeable things to me in my current frame of mind. When I can actually sit down and examine thingsz maybe other people will stand out, but either way I will be happy to share full reads when I am at my computer and notes to do so. Chill.

##vote brainbomb for trying to bait out the Inventor.

This is clear for anyone who figured out what just happened here.