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ConorK (100 D)
31 Oct 15 UTC
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The Art of Correspondence ... out in hardback
For those who prefer the old fashioned (but alas, far more expensive) way of reading. This book is now available in hardback, at least in the UK. I'm not sure about the USA and if someone could confirm ya or nay, I'd appreciate it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy/dp/0993415105/
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Oct 15 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
We would like to welcome our newest members of the moderator team; who've kindly agreed to give up their social lives & free time to help keep this site running smoothly. So please welcome aboard LeonWalras, and vecna! Thank you for agreeing to help out; and I look forward to working with you.

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Jamiet99uk (758 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
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God Team Announcement
Jesus of Nazareth has decided to step back from being the saviour of mankind due to other commitments. We'd like to thank him for all his service to his dad's creations over the months and years, and wish him luck for the future. I'm sure we'll see him in future mafia games still.

- The God Team
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Any Aussie webdippers going to PAX Aus?
I'll be there!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
29 Oct 15 UTC
Help me think of a more useful Computer Science end project!
The current plan of the teacher is for 10 16 to 18-year-old students to create and program a machine with lego-stuff that effectively sorts different colours of candy. I'm really annoyed by the prospect of spending many hours on creating something utterly useless.
Better ideas? It needs broadness, with different aspects and groups working together.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
29 Oct 15 UTC
Submissions For Issue 1 of Diplomacy Openings
https://diplomacyopenings.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/submissions-for-issue-1-now-open/
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
12 Oct 15 UTC
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Mafia XIII Game Thread
Please see below.
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
i mean guak and DO. so easy to mix those names up :/
ND (879 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Here is one of ghug’s contributions from the past few pages: “Hey ND. "rxn" isn't a fucking word. Thanks.” (Ghug, 20)

I explained why I thought he was suspicious in my reads list on 19. Also I encourage anyone that hasn’t read or responded to my Damian case to read it and respond (Page 19).
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC

@bo et al, as promised:
REASONS TO LYNCH OB
1)His first post in the game (page 16) boils down to this quote: "I really like ghug's notion of the vig day shot taking out the lead vote-getter late in the day. Can't wait to watch the mafia scramble after that happens." Two things are happening here: he's putting ghug in a positive light; AND he's contrasting ghug's contribution against a "mafia scramble"; a clever structuring that makes it seem like the mafia scramble will be caused by ghug's townie play. Ghug is of course one of OB's top town reads, as he goes on to express.

2) His second post was a reads list and the reads of each player were almost entirely meaningless and nonsense, or personal without developing any useful lines of enquiry related to the actual game in progress.

3) Consider his read of y2k:
QUOTE: "1. y2kjbk - a bit bull-doggish on DO early on. also makes a lot of reads based on some really thin information (e.g.uclabb). something feels off with this guy. His fight with Balki seems choreographed. Getting a strong scum smell off this one."

Look at the way OB refers to y2 in animalistic language, calling him both "bull-doggish" and that he "smells". I think this is intentional manipulation of language to malign y2 in a subtle way, using negative connotations but offering us very little actual substance or argument, i.e., all OB can actually say is "something feels off with this guy". This is meaningless.

4) His read on ghug is similarly problematic:
QUOTE :"2. ghug - feels like town guhg to me. interesting idea of vig killing leading vote getter with 60 min left. Didn’t vote for uclabb immediately - scum buddies fer sher. Rethinking, I fucking love the vig day shot idea. It’s better if fewer people are online when it happens, because scum will intensify their activity to try to get town lynched. Scum will almost certainly put forth the greatest effort to be online at EOD. They have more to lose if they are not."

OB refers to ghug again, quite emphatically, as town and references again the "interesting idea" and supposedly positive contribution to town, and this is apparently the only reason ghug is town read. There is a large bulk of text for the read on ghug, but when you read through it's surprisingly low on content that's actually about ghug; so on first appearance OB's paragraph seems like a substantial town read but it equates to nothing more than fluff and discussion of the day vig shot.

5) OB's reads of the top lynch candidates all allowed OB to position himself in a positive light if any of them were lynched: he gives scum-indicative reads of Yoyoyozo, Balki, and damian.

6) Other than that, his reads list was almost entirely hedgey and non-commital, apart from reads that were repeating the words of others or reads that could be easily dismissed, such as his town read on meme, which consists of this particularly unhelpful one-liner: QUOTE "11. captainmeme - I think town right now. lurkish,of course, but helpful when intermittently not lurking."

7. OB is trying to criticise my reads by saying that I "always" take an OMGUS approach and vote for people that vote for me -- but he is *massively contradicting himself* by saying this. I haven't mentioned it until now because I wanted him to keep doing it, to keep digging that hole; because, actually, he town read me in his reads, so my vote on him is not motivated in the way he's trying to dismiss it.

But it's interesting to note that he wants to town read me while also completely rubbishing my contributions to the game, contrast these two quotes from his first 2 posts:

QUOTE: "The only town-leans I have are ghug, wjessop and DO."
QUOTE: "12. wjessop - maybe he’s just that obnoxious. As scum he was always turning accusations around on his accusers and then asking for explanations from them. Here he’s only defending himself."

So on the one hand he's saying I'm only one of three players he can town read but at the same time he wants to provide a clear character assault and an inaccurate portrayal of my contribution to the game, similar to the way he attacked and debased y2k, in an attempt to invalidate our reads.

8. There is an odd relationship between DO, who has been very keen to jump on vote wagons (such as wjessop and Balki), and OB, both of whom have been on in the last hour backing up each other's arguments. OB's reads list also makes a decisive attempt at clearing DO:

QUOTE: "18. DemonOverlord - townslip “bus” - mafia would never make that mistake. But then she uses a WIFOM argument to justify it’s use."

This is one of the few unequivocal reads of OB's entire list -- we are being told in no uncertain terms that "mafia would never make" the mistake that DO did in relation to the bus comment. He doesn't even address her joke posts and then quick vote on me to try and flash up a wagon after damian's scum read on me in the 2nd hour of the game. This is very odd. There's no doubt that DO has been controversial so far in her contributions; and she's promised more input after "catching up with the thread" and this has NOT manifested (where is DO's reads list, for example?). I think DO is being told to keep a low profile by her mafia teammates, while they iron over her scumreads.
9. OB has not been helpful at all in this game -- and has spent his time:
a) producing a meaningless, obfuscative reads list -- his reads list has been widely panned as unhelpful to town.
b) chasing and questioning only one person, someone that he supposedly town read.
c) not questioning any of his actual scum reads or contributing to other discussions.
d) not following up any cases or lines of enquiry
e) the only helpful thing he's done is clearly answer the questions set to him by myself and HR.

This is Day 1. Our lynch options will not be perfect -- I stand by my argument that OB has a valid case against him for a Day 1 lynch, considering his unhelpful play.

##Vote OB
OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Balki, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You were suspicious of Y2K, but because you couldn't get anyone else to jump on him with you, you assumed he was mafia? Now that no one is on him, but people are talking about getting a wagon on him going, you think he's town? Help me out here.
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I promised things??
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Ok, it's my first time as a VT so I am happy to admit I have a learning curve, but I have a good experience of what it's like to be mafia. I will concede that maybe the fact that I've only ever played as mafia is affecting the way I might come across. But I think it's also given me a good grounding in what kind actions and styles to look out for in scum-aligned players.

The Balki wagon is a mistake. I think it is being driven by scum. The Balki/damian questions should wait until Day 2, imho.
Toemato (21 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Anyone else worried about wjessops melt down? ##callmod current lynch votes?
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
g2g but I'll try to be back by deadline. Need to be more productive. Everyone read my post on the previous page regarding y2k/ghug and note y2k's inadequate defense.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
which scum are driving the balki wagon, wjessop? do you think i'm scum?
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Melt down? Lol.

I simply don't see why you're even saying that, toemato. I'm not melting down at all.

I was asked by bo to provide a list of reasons to vote for OB. I've produced that.

Perhaps you could try producing something yourself instead of just appearing occasionally to chirp away at others? :)

I'll put smileys after my sentences to help communicate to you that I'm quite content :)
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
DL is that the only response you have to my rationale for why i town-read ghug? it's "inadequate"?
OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
WJ - you're fucking deranged. I am defending myself from your crusade to get a VT (me ) lynched and I explained why. I am not chasing and questioning one person who I town read, I am responding to and criticizing and questioning YOU who seems hell bent on lynching ME. That the whole point of the fucking game.
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@y2: I've already said I don't think you're scum :)

I think it should be quite clear from my posts that I think DO and OB are scum, and they are driving the Balki wagon forward :)
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Has anyone played Phoenix Wright? Wjessop reminds me of much of all the guilty people when they get caught. It's great, ilu wjessop *heartheartheart*
Sorry, let me flesh this out for both OBG and y2k:

Y2K and I have been having a big debate between us for many pages of this thread. He townread me. Then I told him his argument on Demon was poor, even though I did not know Demon's alignment. Then Y2K called me scum for not knowing Demon's alignment and not asking more open-ended questions of Y2K, and we've both been making cases on each other for a while. It's lasted for far too much of D1.

I was struck last night by the fact that nobody had jumped in with me against Y2K. Many people town read him. Nobody tried to push him. And nobody read him as scum except for me. That made me feel like it was even more likely that he was scum, because I couldn't get the easy scum bandwagoners to come join me. I was planning to use that as a strong argument to lynch Y2K tomorrow.

Now that I see a some potential to lynch Y2K so close to the deadline, I'm crossing that "Y2K is scum" argument off the list.

@Y2K, regarding who is using you: as I've explained, I think the folks who made me a leading lynch candidate today all joined in quick succession. They were guak, Demon, Damian, OBG, in that order. My belief is that mafia is trying to hide in the shadows and make easy vote choices. Thus, I would expect them to look for stubborn townies, and join their wagons. That's why if Y2K is town, I expect that there are one or two mafiosos who joined him in pushing the Balki lynch last night.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
ok that makes sense. i still think you're tunneling on DO and OB. i tunneled on DO as well initially. it's tough to take a step back and reset/reanalyze someone, and it took me more than a couple games as townie to get the hang of doing that.
Toemato (21 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@wej I've given my reading kn players already today if you missed that its your own dang fault.
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@OB: Then answer this simple question:

If you had nothing helpful to say when you first posted, why did you post a notes/reads list, of all players in the game, that was almost entirely meaningless and unhelpful to town?

Did you want to appear active?

Please explain this quite simple reality.

wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@OB: CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

IF YOURE SO HELPFUL TO TOWN WHY DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO POST THAT NONSENSE READS LIST?

It was beneath you. I'm not deranged. I'm making a fair case in Day 1 based on your atrocious game play.
Toemato (21 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Calm down wjessop give him time to answer.
@guak,

Are you here? Have you read the whole thread? I just want to make sure that you take complete ownership of your vote, and that you're sure about it, so that we can draw conclusions from it tomorrow.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
that could be balki, but as of now i have town-reads on guak, damian, demon, and OB, three of which i came around on after initially suspecting them. so i really don't think i'm being used by scum.

balki, do you have any updates to your scum-list and any additional reasons that might make you feel one is more scummy than the other? has DO done anything to make your read stronger or weaker since that list?
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
at one point balki, you said that i was swayed last game by you arguing that maniac actually might be scum. you referenced that as a parallel to me this time, NOT being swayed with you saying that DO is town when i gave my opinion. but now you don't think she's town, and i do. my suspicion of you was why you weren't engaging me on these reasons why DO could be scum that you have been kinda harboring all game but not being too vocal about.
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
This just seems so obvious to me -- if he's so helpful to town, why would he hinder us with all of those pointless reads, by page 16?

We all know that OB is a much better player for town than that.

There are good reasons to lynch OB in Day 1.

My sense is that if it was someone like ghug or ND saying this, I think more people would listen -- but there's been such a nice spin campaign to paint black the always-scum-wjessop that people have been persuaded to doubt the basic facts I'm presenting on OB's input in M13.
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
And if I was scum, I certainly would not be sticking my neck out like this :)

wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
(but I guess that's a bit of a WIFOM thing to say)
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@toemato: well, he still hasn't answered.

I imagine he's drafting his carefully-measured response in scumchat right now.
Toemato (21 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Did nobody really notice when Wjessop accused DO, Maniac, and OB of all ganging up on him a page or two ago? In which Wjessop replied, "Nice, a 3 on 1? Hi Maniac." Did this not raise even a few red or yellow flags for anyone else?
wjessop (100 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@toemato: a 3on1 doesn't imply that they're all scum. in the Day, we're all town, so townies can gang up with whoever they want. they were being schoolground bullies, there was no need for Maniac to throw his 2 cents in.
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I hate that they can talk right now, 5 of them with a chat can pretty much swing the vote however. How annoying that our day phases are only 2 days.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
28 Oct 15 UTC
CISA
http://uk.businessinsider.com/senate-passes-cisa-2015-10

What i like is the common ground between libertarian Rand Paul and liberal Bernie Sanders... Any opinions on this invasion of privacy?
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wjessop (100 DX)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Walking Dead Season 6
Discussion.
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BloodWolf99697 (100 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Fast Pace
Starting a live game if anyone wants to join
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diplomat61 (223 D)
28 Oct 15 UTC
Unlearn this hatred
Two more required for gameID=168991

Ancient, WTA, Anon, Hidden, 24hrs, 20 D, high RR
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BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
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No diversity in the Democrat party
Old white people debating who can spend more of your money, make government bigger, eat the rich and take your freedom.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
27 Oct 15 UTC
Power, Corruption & Lies / three more required
Classic, 20 D, WTA, Anon, Hidden votes, 24hr turns, 90% RR

You know you want to … gameID=169019
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Oct 15 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
Captainmeme has decided to step back from being a moderator due to other commitments. We'd like to thank him for all his service to the site over the months and years, and wish him luck for the future. I'm sure we'll see him in future mafia games still.

- The Mod Team
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2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
26 Oct 15 UTC
Richard Hucknall the Imposter!
See inside.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
Roll up, roll up
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
Need an English player, brand new game.
gameID=169009

Need an english player, first one didn't enter orders. Its not to far behind, only one or two round.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
I'm not really from Guildford
One more required for gameID=168966

20 D, WTA, Anon, Hidden votes, 24hr turns, 90%RR
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noobi (23 DX)
26 Oct 15 UTC
game with frends-and you!
if you want to play with friends play here! the password is in the name. here's the ID#:
gameID=169060
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noobi (23 DX)
26 Oct 15 UTC
game with frends-and you!
if you want to play with friends play here! the password is in the name. here's the URL:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169060
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Middelfart (1196 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
New France needed ASAP
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169039&msgCountryID=0&rand=28875#chatboxanchor
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diplomat61 (223 D)
25 Oct 15 UTC
Only two more required ….
Classic, Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all, Hidden votes, 24 hour turns, 20 D bet.

gameID=168966
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Ogion (3882 D)
25 Oct 15 UTC
North coast south coast resolution bug?
So I may have found a bug or a gap in my knowledge

North coast Spain to MAO
mAO to south coast Spain ought to succeed? No?
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
21 Oct 15 UTC
New Italy needed
gameID=168341
No NMRs.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
22 Oct 15 UTC
Terrorist Attack in Sweden
A guy with a sword killed two and injured two in a school. (Who the heck uses a sword???)

Thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
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twinsnation (498 D(B))
24 Oct 15 UTC
password help
Boldness be my friend; arm me, Audacity!" password help pease
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Skulduggery57 (100 DX)
24 Oct 15 UTC
Which Provinces Are Occupied The Least/Most?
I was thinking about this the other day. Which province, spends, on average, the highest percentage of its time being occupied by a unit. Or being empty? Empty, I think we can all agree would be North Africa (?) although I'm open to suggestion. But what about second most empty?
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diplomat61 (223 D)
24 Oct 15 UTC
Something for everyone
Looking for a new game?
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twinsnation (498 D(B))
24 Oct 15 UTC
pass word
sned me pass word for game that starts in one hour
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Oct 15 UTC
Gameplay Analysis Requested
I would please like to request that people review my gameplay in my last game, in my opinion this is my strongest play to date.
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