Like, whatever.


I'm just me. If you don't like it, you can leave.

For those of you considering wj's ridiculous knee jerk crusade to get me lynched, look logically on his assertions and see how far he has to stretch to describe my strategy in scummy terms. It makes no sense. There are better candidates.

OB seems desperate to stay. And DO is joining in too.

OB the case on you is quite valid considering your game consists of:

1) two posts of nonsense reads and buddying with DO and ghug
2) repeated questioning of wjessop, evev though you regard me as town
3) rubbishing of my input, supported by DO

Nice try to push my buttons you two. Not happening.

You're just scummy. But I hope you're having a fun game, i look forward to seeing you flip scum.

AND @OB you're full-on contradicting yourself when you say I vote for people who scumread me wheb at the same time you keep reiterating that you're town-reading me. I led for a vote on you after your appalling reads and buddying post. Your defensive argument is full of holes.

@ dl everyone is anti-lurker - not everyone wants to policy lynch lurkers

@wj - im sure you called krellin worse in mx

Nice, a 3 on 1? Hi Maniac.

I addressed krellin on his level, after a number of his tirades, after unsuccessfully being able to deal with him in a reasonable, civilised manner, and also did this as part of my scum strategy.

I haven't done anything to deserve OB's personal attacks on me in this game -- and OB and me have quite nice conversations outside of this game -- so I highlighted this as only another small but (hopefully) interesting part of why I think his behaviour in this game so far is scummy.

I think that's reasonable.

I'm sorry you don't.

I am desperate to stay, for good reason.

Has everyone read this setup? There is a shit ton of mafia AND THEY CAN TALK DURING THE DAY. This is not your typical mafia game here folks, this is a whole different kettle of fish. Every town member is invaluable. I am usually the first to say that VTs shouldn't care if they live or die, but this game is different. I am VT and I care if I get lynched today because I want our side to win.

Going to switch to my other scum read ##VOTE Balki, no one seems to like the y2k lynch.

Go ahead WJ, figure out why me switching my vote is scum-indicative, feel free to get creative, you know really explore the studio space.

wjessop, i don't understand your blow-up at OB. it definitely sounds like your scum-self. what are you gaining by going beyond scum-reading OB and actually taking offense from OB giving quick and hasty observations on people? do you not like the answers he gave for the questions leveled at him? i liked them more or less in terms of thinking they were honest.

@DL9 - I said I hate discussions of how PRs should play. I have said this, I believe, in every single game I've played on this site. You were discussing your opinion on how the JOAT should act ad nauseum. That's why I was "looking at you".

People should be switching onto someone who has contributed nothing original, who has openly fished for a PR claim from a lurker, and who has cropped up solely to defend himself and make excuses before slinking away again; consistently; all game.

People should be voting for SaladinSmith.

giving a quick read-through of SS in a few minutes

I feel like there’s a Ghug-y2k connection from these interactions.

1. Ghug on page four: “y2k [gets his town read] - He just townslipped, and I guarantee he wouldn't be posting stoned right now if he were scum, whereas he wouldn't be being so thick with DO right now if he weren't stoned.”

Maniac on page eight notes that: "I have concerns about this post by Y2K “definitely looks like he's syncing up with mafia buddies in QT chat. [][]VOTE TrPrado”

It seems superfluous to me to add “in QT chat”. Why did he put this in? Mafia don’t talk in a QT thread during the day, they use the Encryptor. “While alive, you allow your fellow Others to talk during the day by being a go-between.”

I think Mafia Y2K would know this. Is he trying to distance himself from that knowledge.? Perhaps he wants someone to soft clear him for seemingly not knowing something that mafia would know.

Thoughts?"

Ghug immediately backtracks and says "Oh really? That was the townslip I thought I had spotted. That changes a lot."
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2. y2kjbk on page five gives Ghug a town read. He clarifies on page six: “when i see early posts that seem helpful to town at the onset, i town-read those players early. you had that initially, Balki. ghug and uclabb fit this bill as well. gotta back it up though, i feel that ghug and uclabb have generally backed it up, and you've done the opposite.” This changes to “ok ghug and uclabb at least haven't done anything to make me change my opinion” before Balki can even reply.

Let’s take a look at Ghug’s super-helpful d1 posts, shall we?


pg1
“##VOTE wjessop”
“##VOTE wj in case that last one didn't count”
“Also I def got first vote in and that's all that matters, so fuck y'all. Got my post requirements in. See y'all in three days.”
“I GMed the other game you were in, Espi. What? @DO, I was going to, but then wj stole my first post thunder while I was waiting for Chaqa to open the thread to posing. Bye 4reals.”
pg2
“Yoyos scum”
pg4
A single reads post and “Wait DO, it was a brainslip and not a reductio ad absurdum on his argument that you were talking privately? I thought it was a "yeah, and I'm your partner! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" sorta thing”
pg5
“Can the vig shoot guak please? thank you”
--y2k says that “when i see early posts that seem helpful to town at the onset, i town-read those players early. you had that initially, Balki. ghug and uclabb fit this bill as well. gotta back it up though,”--

WOW SO HELPFUL
GHUG FOR TOWN MVP

Definitely makes me suspect them.

OB, join me on the y2k lynch! ##vote y2k

Anyone have thoughts on this? y2k/ghug, explanation please?

I’m breaking away for a moment. I haven’t had a chance yet to read the last two pages or so. I just have a comment for Y2K:

@Y2K, if you are town, I wish you’d take a self-reflective moment, and consider your potential confirmation bias.

Your initial read on me was based on my leading questions in my critique of you, is that right?

I explained that I am trial lawyer, and my comments in all games I’ve played are littered with leading questions.

Your next read on me was based on my failure to call out who I thought was scum and take strong positions on people, correct?

I told you immediately that my reads would come, and they did. I don’t think it is mafia-indicative that someone takes their time before committing to positions in the first half of Day 1. I don’t think it was mafia-indicative that I had a null read on Demon around page 5. But even if your scumhunt involves a search for those who are not taking firm positions, I think you’re awfully misguided. I’ve been active, I’ve been pushing discussions, I’ve been taking positions in which I’m off on my own, and my posts have been well-organized and as town friendly as possible. Town friendly in that they lay out my thoughts on others, and town friendly in that they allow people to know my thoughts and read me personally without much effort.

In any event, I think the most critical information anyone can glean about my alignment in this game relates to how quickly my wagon formed. In this game, where there are five mafiosos, who are coordinating by day, that has to raise red flags for anyone taking an objective and sincere look.

Y2K, if you are town, I think you are being used. Your stubbornness in beating the Balki drum, come what may, is the perfect leaf under which the little scum caterpillars can hide. If you are town, I hope you will consider your reads, based on all information that you have learned since you first arrived there, while fully aware of the dangers of confirmation bias.

If you are scum, my hat’s off. I hope you get what’s coming to you.

That's an interesting idea DL9. I was alone on Y2K for such a long time. What makes you now want to get a wagon running on him now?

Oh, haha DL9, let me read that long post I missed...

Balki (5) - Guak/DO/y2k/bo/OB
Yoyo (3) - Meme/Maniac/Ghug
OB (2) - Wjessop/Toemato
DO (2) - Balki/Damian
Meme (1) - SS
Damian (1) - ND
Espi (1) - Uclabb
Y2k (1) - DL
DL (1) - Yoyo
SS (1) - HR

I wanted to reread Ghug to see if he had anything suspicious other than the weird non-explained bo wagon, and this popped up

i town-read ghug after he read me as a stoned townie in his first reads list. his earlier posts weren't helpful, but he wasn't doing what he did in M10, which was asking sooooo many questions to look like he's scum-hunting and being helpful. ghug is being more direct now i think, albeit maybe more reckless with his posts, but reckless posting is actually more town-indicative than scum-indicative.

i haven't seen a single ghug post since that has made me change my opinion there

@OBG and @DL, I've been suspicious of Y2K because when I pushed on him being scum, I felt like I could get no traction at all. Made me feel like there were no mafiosos waiting in the wings to join that pursuit. Frankly, you guys bringing up Y2K now defeats one of the main reasons I've suspected him.

I'm around again, reading back now.

You noted that “when i see early posts that seem helpful to town at the onset, i town-read those players early. you had that initially, Balki. ghug and uclabb fit this bill as well."

But Ghug never really had any early contributions. Explain?

balki, who do you think could be using me? i'm not following anyone else's read on you, it's coming from me alone primarily. that seems like a weird comment. if you're town, then i'm tunneling, not being used.

the balki wagon is far from something that formed "too quickly", it's got barely the plurality this close to deadline. it took my official balki reread to get anyone else to follow my vote, namely ghug and DO.