@bolshoi

The bill reads in no unequivocal terms that none of that portion can be applied to American citizens in any way, shape, or form. The amount of misinformation about the bill is extremely frustrating.

That said, people should be upset about it because indefinite detention of anyone is wrong, not just Americans. But foreigners aren't worth the uproar, apparently.

Not at all. 9/11 was a terrorist attack on the United States. Nothing more, nothing less.

The moon landings were real, etc. etc.

But the JFK assassination was pretty fishy. From what I understand, the trajectories of the bullets don't really work out. I'm just saying that it could have easily been the guys on the grassy knoll. One thing is for certain: Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.

Yes they do. I have watched prolly 30 or so hours of different documentaries that examine the assassination. While some things, like whether Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone or not are fishy, the trajectories of the bullets do indeed add up. Most reconstructions of the car that are made are not to correct specs.

The grassy knoll theory falls apart under scrutinization.

Three presidents have changed VPs between elections--Grant, Lincoln, and FDR. So Biden's return is by no means automatic, especially given his plethora of gaffes. That said, I doubt Hillary will seriously be in the discussion to replace him.

"While some things, like whether Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone or not are fishy"

So you acknowledge that the official narrative is "fishy", and there was quite possibly a broader conspiracy. Who else, in your mind, was a part of it? And why are your candidates for participation not crazy, but mine are?

9/11 certainly was a terrorist attack on the us. but the question is who was behind it, al qaeda or some people from cia/mossad. there were some people arrested on 9/11, recording the event, celebrating, some van with a picture of planes flying into the buildings, and a van packed with explosives. you might want to look into those arrests.

the bill says no uncertain terms that it doesn't apply to american citizens in any way? did you not read what i posted from the aclu? or are you telling me that your interpretation of the law is better than a legal scholar?

Obama/Santorum 2012

Obama/Kony 2012

Why would he tap Hillary anyway? Is he hoping to get maple syrup or something?

@ tols: It is fishy, but there is no real evidence that LBJ was a part of it. I do not believe that there enough is evidence to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, but going as far as to say that it was an inside job is, in my eyes, nuts.
@bol; 9/11 was most certainly NOT an inside job, that is beyond crazy. Any credibility that you had (which was not much) is now gone. I am, in many respects, a contrarian, but you take that to a whole new level. You never cease to amaze me how far you will go just to argue for the sake of arguing. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

@ NikeFlash

+ 1 to you for responding to bolshoi's craziness

When I said "Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone" I meant that he was probably the trigger man, but the likelihood of him planning and funding that assassination entirely by himself with no clear motive is slim to none. Someone else must have given the order.

Why the hell would Obama not stick with Biden? You wouldn't change your running mate unless you feel you had something major to gain.

@gunfighter that's funny, because he didn't really respond to what i said, he just stated that it was false, without dealing with the evidence.

i guess people here don't care about those guys arrested. or thermite found.

and they just believe the official story on how building 7 came down. same way they believe what they think is a scientific consensus on global warming. the media says a bunch of experts agreed on this point, so it must make sense.

Enlighten us, bullshoit. (This should be fun for a laugh).

Oh, and you should be wanred that the engineers on this board already went over another poasters truther theories some time back and showed the flaw s in each and every one of them. Of course, being truthers, they just ignored the evidence and continued on their deluded way as I'm sure you will, but still...

"going as far as to say that it was an inside job is, in my eyes, nuts."

Why is it prima facie "nuts" to suggest that a vice president who could never be elected president on his own wouldn't participate in or condone a plot to assassinate the president?

It's funny. You read history books about Rome and the middle ages, and there were plots like this all over. But somehow it's *crazy* to suggest that this could happen today. Why? Has human nature changed drastically in the last 500 years?

Um, Tolstoy... Rome's issues were 2000 years ago and the middle ages ended over 700 years ago (started around 1000 years ago), so you are off by at least a few centuries with your "500 years" stuff. And yes, in the last 700+ years, humans have socially evolved to no longer own slave sin the civilized world and to no longer kill their opponents just because it is convenient to do so.

this is hilarious. i don't have a theory. have you forgotten the burden of proof is on the one making the claim? you are saying building 7 came down from heat from an office fire or something. prove it. it's not mechanically possible. what kind of an engineer are you? i don't know what a "truther" is, but i am someone who doesn't believe anythign until it's proven. if that's a truther, then maybe you should call people against intelligent design as truthers too. because so many people believe in god, so to say otherwise is just trutherism.

@bullshoit - You *are* the one made the claim about some bullshit involving people arrested and thermite and shit. By the way, thermite is very common and can be found in your own home. Thermite is metals shavings that, when heat is applied to them, create a thermal reaction. Mix iron-oxide (rust) with aluminum shavings (pop cans) at an 8 to 3 weight ratio (50/50 ration by volume) and then stick a firecracker fuse in it, light it, and run away. It's really easy to do.

It's been proven. You're just too invested in the idea of a conspiracy to acknowledge reality.

And really, if it were a grand scheme, why not have the hijackers be Iraqi, or at least actual Afghans? Why hit the Pentagon instead of Congress? Surely if it was an evil Bush coup then they could have delayed evacuating the Capitol and cause the deaths of a good portion of the legislature? Why even fly the planes (I assume you admit they were actually planes) into buildings at all? Just blowing them up in the air and releasing a phoney manifesto online would have galvanized people just about as well and with a whole lot less risk.

But the most compelling argument that 9/11 was a terrorist attack just like the standard narrative says it was is the fact that carrying out such a complicated plot so perfectly shows a level of competency unlike anything in the Bush administration. Bin Laden did it. Get over it.

@bolshoi - Seriously, what country are you from? Truthers is a common term throughout the US to refer to those people who claim the truth has never been revealed concerning 9/11. They even call *themselves* truthers. You really can't be from the US or you must have something wrong with you, like Rainman.

@invictus. again, all i'm saying is that the official story is not proven, in fact, it's bs. so where are you getting the idea that it was some plot by bush? could be a few people in the cia and mossad carrying it out. i don't know. if it was mossad maybe they think the u.s. is too tight with saudi arabia, so they came up with the story they did. i shouldn't even speculate here because i don't know. all i know is the official story has not been proven at all. in fact, the existence of santa has stronger evidence behind it.

Reminder: DO NOT respond directly to bolshoi's claims. He has already demonstrated inability to carry on a rational argument (see the math threads). Call him an idiot and move on. To do otherwise legitimizes idiocy.

bolshoi, you are an irredeemable idiot. It's been proven. You simply want reality to be different.

Thank, YJ. I forgot that rule. The fact that *bullshoit* doesn't accept the evidence even though it is obvious he hasn't read the entire 9/11 commission's report, obviously makes him a fucktard and I shouldn't get involved with him. Thanks again, YJ, for that reminder.

@bullshoit - you are a fucktard who hasn't bothered to read the evidence. Otherwise you'd know there is plenty of evidence. Oh, and nothing is proven. That's why we have scientific theories for everything. The current evidence suggest the official story is the most plausible of all theories. The simplest theory is always the most likely until disproven. This isn't a court of law. And the simplest theory here is that some terrorists got their panties in a bunch, were deceived into thinking they'd get a shit load of virgins if they died striking at the "infidels" and did so.

Re" WTC 7. It came down as a result of numerous fires inside it going on for hours on end. It was burning for 8 hours, idiot. Considering it's proximity to towers 1 & 2, it's amazing it didn't come down sooner.

ok so you're saying because bush is incompetent, then the mujahadeen must have carried out the attacks? that is the most retarded thing i've ever heard. i just saw a complete moron with a nice haircut. his sister is a hairdresser but she can't cut hair like that, so it must have been hoolio eglasias who cut the hair.

how could you even have read the entire report, all that was released to the public was the authorized version that was full of redactions. but even if you had read it, how is that legit when members of the commission were saying that they were constantly misled and not given information they needed.

@bolshoi - Use proper grammar. It is quite difficult, IMO, to read a paragraph with no capitals at the start of a sentence, or failing to properly capitalize an "I".