hes not guilty of a crime, many people who arn't guilty of a crime are still liable morally

" If this is all fake then a lot of people have be part of this conspiracy to slander Sandusky."

I should that not only would lots of people, including eight teen/20 somethings who remain anonymous, have to be part of this vast conspiracy to slander a guy who was a powerful figure at PSU for 30 some odd years and did "charity" work, but a number of people would have to part of this conspiracy in ways that make themselves look bad, like the graduate assistant and the janitor.

Fun fact: the Pennsylvania DA who declined to prosecute Sandusky is none other than Ray Gricar, who has been at the center of a six-year-old missing persons case after disappearing in 2005...

Of course he's liable morally. That's why he's being kicked out after 100 years as head coach there. The issue is whether he's guilty of some crime beyond being a trusting fool or willful blind fool. We're a long way from knowing that. LEt them investigate and find whatever's there, and hold him accountable for whatever (if anything) he did legally wrong. Legality does not equal morality.

And apparently, the laptop with his case files was found dumped, with the hard drive removed. The suspected hard drive was found in a river two months later, too damaged for any data to be recovered.

LINK to former post: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668
LINK for this one: wikipedia links to http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=iZYNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8XADAAAAIBAJ&pg=5334,210533&dq=ray+gricar+laptop&hl=en

My question is... Why didn't the grad student or the janitor go straight to the police? We are crucifying a man for reporting it up the chain of command when he wasn't an eyewitness, but the two eyewitnesses aren't being crucified for not going to the police. He did exactly the same thing they did, passed it up the chian of command at the university.

Great, so we can drop this business of not criticizing Paterno simply because they haven't gone through the year long court case yet.

"Legality does not equal morality." - QFT!

We can't legislate morallity and there are plenty of immoral laws on the books as well.

Innocent until proven guilty even applies to alleged pedophiles with a lot of evidence against them, Putin33. Sandusky will get his just deserts in court, and perhaps Paterno too.

Draug they are but they arnt famous

Well, they will be after this scandal finishes it's run in the press. Just like the ladies in the Cain sex scandal...

"We are crucifying a man for reporting it up the chain of command when he wasn't an eyewitness, but the two eyewitnesses aren't being crucified for not going to the police."

Well they are being criticized. But one of these witnesses has dementia and isn't even competent to testify now. The grad assistant, yes should have reported it to police. But he was a much smaller fish than Paterno and probably was intimidated about what his superiors would do to him if he went over their heads. The assistant (Mike McQueary) is the head recruiter and is likely to be fired, so it's not like he's been given a pass.

"Innocent until proven guilty even applies to alleged pedophiles with a lot of evidence against them, Putin33."

But we just got done saying that morality does not equal legality. So this line doesn't work.

What? It happens to be true.

You're not making any sense. Basically you don't want us to criticize Paterno because he hasn't been found guilty of anything legally yet, yet you admit that just because he hasn't been convicted doesn't mean he's not morally culpable. Make up your mind.

Paterno is fired. Good for Penn State.

Paterno hasn't done anything illegal. He's simply guilty by omission, and it's a tough case at that.

It's not a tough case. Stop making excuses for this. Stop pretending like guilt by omission, by knowing about horrific acts and doing nothing to stop it is not that big of a deal. The only reason Paterno hasn't been charged with perjury yet is because he wasn't "higher up" on the chain of demand, but someone under his authority raped children and he's going to face civil suits galore for that and rightly so. Tolstoy is right. Football makes people nuts and makes people lose any sense of perspective. Paterno had totalitarian control over State College. Paterno is a cult. It's obvious from shameful riots that took place last night. There is not a single thing that went on at that program that he didn't know about.

You can't tell me that in 1999, when Sandusky was an award winning coach, when he was 55 years old and had built a defense that was highly regarded, that nobody looked at him as a potential head coach out of a coincidence. No, it's quite clear. Sandusky stepped down from the coaching scene in exchange for a cover-up of his sex abuse which was made public in 1998.

If you're to believe this bullshit that McQueary didn't tell anybody but Paterno and his father, and didn't tell anybody specifics, then McQueary lied at the grand jury. Why would he lie and say he told Paterno specifics when he didn't? That lie does nothing to better him in any way. He doesn't look good at all. He never went to the authorities. And Curley & Schulz have already been charged for perjury for claiming McQueary wasn't specific.

Stop making excuses for this. Penn State is a criminal enterprise whose season should be canceled. It is sick that they are allowing this program to continue playing despite the fact that the entire organization knew about this and did nothing, and continued to allow Sandusky to have an office at Penn State and access to children even after it was publicly known he was a confessed sex offender.

*command, not demand

@Putin - please tell me what *you're* definition of perjury is... Mine is lying under oath/in court. I see nowhere that he has commited perjury even in his silence. He hasn't been under oath or gone to court about this, therefore he hasn't committed perjury.

*your* - don't know where my brain was when I typed that.

Draugnar sometimes I think you just like to contradict me for its own sake, even if it makes you look foolish. Paterno was deposed at the grand jury. He was under oath. He made the same claims that two indicted perjurers made about McQueary's flustered report about Victim 2 in 2002.

http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/domestic-relations/00.063.011.000.html

BTW, what Paterno did was illegal.

Putin: Based on the facts available to date, I had concluded that Paterno had failed in his legal duty, as well as his moral duty, by failing to follow up with the leadership of Penn State to ensure that the allegations had not been swept under the carpet. But my reading of Sections 6311(c) and 6318 of the Pennsylvania legislation that you posted lead me to believe that, in fact, he did exactly what was required by the law (if not his conscience) and that he is not civilly or criminally liable for his (in)action. How did you conclude that his actions put him in breach of the legislation?

"A person who, in the course of
employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into
contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made
in accordance with section 6313 (relating to reporting
procedure) when the person has reasonable cause to suspect, on
the basis of medical, professional or other training and
experience, that a child under the care, supervision, guidance
or training of that person or of an agency, institution,
organization or other entity with which that person is
affiliated is a victim of child abuse, including child abuse by
an individual who is not a perpetrator."

Paterno qualifies under this rule. A child under the care of an agency affiliated with a program he supervised was abused, in his own facilities no less. Paterno was even part of the negotiations that gave Sandusky this access to kids. Sandusky routinely did joint programs with the Penn State football program even though he was a retired coach, which is why he had an office in the building. The abuse was made known to Paterno by an eye witness. I fail to see how the AD and VP are to have perjured themselves and held legally responsible when Paterno is not. If anything the AD and VP worked for Paterno, not the other way around. People are acting as if Paterno was some paper pushing bureaucrat at Penn State. As his students and alumni frequently insist - he is Penn State.

And by report - the law has this in mind, which was not done.

http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/domestic-relations/00.063.013.000.html

But 6311(c) is his get-out:

" (c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person
is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a
member of the staff of a medical or other public or private
institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall
immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person
in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the
designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and
have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made
in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require
more than one report from any such institution, school, facility
or agency."

He notified the AD and VP, at which point responsibility for making the report to the authorities under 6313 transferred to them. I'm not sure I buy your contention that the AD and VP worked for Paterno.

Paterno is not a subordinate 'staff member'. He is an administrator & teacher, which is obligated under section (a) to make the report. He is not a teacher's aide, he has direct supervision over the children in his care. So I don't think (c) is an out, and I insist that

And I can say Paterno is the boss and not Curley because Curley tried to oust Paterno on two different occasions, on both occasions he was refused by Paterno and he did not have the muscle to go through with it.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188314-143.stm
http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/09/2979460/paterno-trying-to-move-forward.html

And Curley, like it seems all these PSU people, is a lifelong PSU football functionary. He played for Paterno and coached for Paterno for years prior to becoming AD. He, like everybody else, built a career off of his affiliation with Paterno.

@ Putin: What have the current players done to warrent having their season suspended?