@Krellin, you realise the 'freedom to do what you want' only extends to 'until it infringes on others'.

So basically your whole ranty-goodness is based on a lack of capacity to empathize with those people who Hunt harms with his 'jokes'.

Well done in demonstrating this logical failure and lack of empathy.

@ krellin:

"a *single* comment in poor taste"

Wrong. False. This wasn't a single ill-advised comment that didn't really reflect his views. Nor was it, as ILN previously falsely claimed, "a joke".

Hunt's remarks were an honest expression of his opinion. He later confirmed that the comments *did* reflect his genuine views (see link I posted earlier).

It is not appropriate or acceptable for people in senior, influential roles in academia to hold the sexist views Tim Hunt expressed.

Yeah but the thing is no-one on the planet could possibly live-up to the standards that you all demand. So what you are really doing is downwardly selecting the most weasel people who know what to *say*, but may not have significant deficits otherwise.

And what about all the good qualities this guy has? All doesn't matter because he has ONE opinion some people don't like.

Libtard tolerance at it's finest, as usual.

I fart in your general direction.

A lot of finger pointing and bottom waving; what happens when you bring the two together? The shit hits the fan!

@ fiedler:

"And what about all the good qualities this guy has? All doesn't matter because he has ONE opinion some people don't like."

The ONE opinion he has, is that women have no place in a science lab. It is actually a problem that he has those sexist views, given his position of influence. His views make him a barrier to the fair treatment of female academics.

Let me ask you something:

- If the headteacher of your local school has good leadership qualities, and loads of experience as an educator, but he's also a raving white supremacist and has made his negro-hating views public.... is that ok? You'd let him keep the job? After all, you shouldn't overlook his good qualities because there's ONE thing about his opinions that some people don't like.


....right?

mmm well that's a bit of an extreme false equivalence.

Womens rights have extended this far in spite of people like this in equal or greater 'influential' positions that have held far more extreme views. So, maybe this guy could have been censored...maybe the institution could have marginalized him a bit, made a statement clarifying their position etc?

But no, these days it's got to be instant dismissal and disgrace right? Whatever happened to reasonableness?

And you have neatly side-stepped my point that no one is without sin. This hysterical nonsense just promotes the weasels who don't offend because they are either cautious liars, or don't indeed have any values they would like to promote, I would submit.

At the end of the day this is just another PC nail in the coffin of 'society', as no reasonable discussion is allowed, all the smart people just fuck off to Galts gulch and let the sheep, goats and llamas bite and nibble at each other.

Take a very rare Chumbles +1 fiedler! Glad you didn't add cows into the menagerie.

"This hysterical nonsense just promotes the weasels who don't offend because they are either cautious liars, or don't indeed have any values they would like to promote, I would submit."

I'll see your false equivalence claim and raise it with a false dichotomy.

Weak sauce.

Mindless humorless liberal zombies fall in line Like good sheep.... And, everyone knows this is true, when they think noone is looking they retail each other with the humor they believe is inappropriate. Thus, as stated above, they ate calculated liars. We all know it's true, because we have all witnessed feckless libtards in such behavior.

@ fiedler: "mmm well that's a bit of an extreme false equivalence"

Why is it?

There is a weird thing where people get upset when bigots face (perhaps unfair) consequences for their actions, but don't demonstrate a similar level of concern for the actual bigotry.

What are you talking about, ckroberts? Krellin and fiedler are resolute crusaders against sexism, everyone knows that.

CK - I have no problem with PROPORTIONAL response to bad behavior. The fucking Libtards, clothes in their faux-moral superiority, think every offense deserves the death penalty, and glory in the suffering of others. The most twisted and perverse bunch of hypocrites

Jamie - the best was to end sexism is to treat everyone EQUALLY. this is a concept Liberalism FULLY fails at, because the First Action of every Libtard when meeting someone is to label and classify them to determine the proper amount of compassion and help they require. I.e. Libtardism = offensive hypocrites douchebaggery.

Sorry, krellin, my mistake. As Jamie points out, you're clearly a committed anti-sexist. Can you point to some of your earlier commentary? Ideally, you could show us an amount equal in both volume and emotion to your defenses of Hunt, Sterling, etc.

Ck - can you show me where you have showed extreme sensitivity and never made a comment that might me offensive to some. And when I fine the comments you deny exist.... Or when toy fess to.. Will you voluntarily silence yourself, as you deem this an appropriate response to any offense?

I say anygood liberal praising this shore show solidarity to the cause by letting us apply the same rules TO YOU... I'm sure mods would accept your voluntary silencing to assuage your liberal for.

@ Krellin: "Jamie - the best way to end sexism is to treat everyone EQUALLY"

1. Please explain how accusing women of crying all the time and distracting the men represents "treating them EQUALLY".

2. I do wish you would stop implying that I am a liberal.

"I have no problem with PROPORTIONAL response to bad behavior."

Right. If Tim Hunt had made that "joke" at the water cooler and was overheard, his manager could have told him to stop making sexist jokes.

But...

He was representing his employer, one of the most prestigious universities in the world, on the world stage at an important symposium for science journalists. He is a Nobel Laureate. He was involved in public relations. How much grander of a stage do you need to understand that *he made himself* untouchably toxic so a pressured resignation was proportional punishment.

Personal responsibility, right?

krellin: I am certain I have made all kinds of offensive statements over the year, but that's not really the whole story. Jeff really made the point for me, but, if I am ever quoted saying something so inappropriate in circumstances which frankly demand my employer take steps, I will let you know.

It's not merely a matter of saying or believing something that's racist or sexist or some other kind of bigotry. It's a matter of loudly saying it, publicly, and being in a position to enforce one's beliefs. There's a difference between having a janitor who, say, believes black people are inferior to white people, and having a hiring manager who believes it.

"...because the First Action of every Libtard when meeting someone is to label and classify them..."

The irony is strong with this one.

No - not a bit of irony. You deny Liberals first objective in any situation is to assess, label and classify a person? Everyone is pre -judged by modern liberalis before any words are spoken based upon color, gender, and hell -even age.
You deny it of course - most liberals are too cowardly to assess their own sin.

We see it around here ALL the time. It involves Liberal speech...All <fill in blank> are oppressed/oppressors, victims/victimizers, bigots/targets of bigotry, priveledged/denied opportunity. Almost every face of modern liberalism is 100% ABOUT classification and pre -judgement so that you can establish the programs to solve the world's problems... Which will never be solved without (powerful primarily white) liberals who see everyone as needing their help.

It's the most delicious hypocrisy of the modern age.

I'm pretty sure his point is that you are pretty quick to label and classify someone as a "libtard" and then judge them on that basis. But I could be wrong

Thucy, judgement BASED UPON ACTIONS. You, my friend, judge first and foremost on color, gender, creed.

I'd you fail to see the difference, shame on you. I expect better of my arch-nemesis. (Wink)

Lol, this man was also judged based on actions, so what exactly is the difference between the "libtards" and you?

Thucy has it. The irony is that in krellin's off kilter world he pre-judges that anyone who pre-judges another person is a Libtard. Ergo, krellin is a Libtard.

Checkmate, Libtard.

Thucy - judge and beheaded for a BAD FUCKING JOKE. Noone was harmed in the telling of his bad joke.... PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE was not involved. That is what you ridiculous LIBTARDS don't grasp. You are like chipmunks. Ever watch a chipmunk? Two speeds: stop and fast. Just like Libtards. You have two responses: ignore, or hysterical overreaction to most things you FEIGN concern about publicly (and then do in your private life anyway, like all good hypocrites)

The British Labour Party recently held a sex segregated political rally. The Prof seems to suggest sex segregated labs. Funny what some people object to, while turning a blind eye to what they don't want to acknowledge.