But not the North Korean political class, right Putin33? They're all saints and angels.

The thread is about US and Britain, not North Korea.

Putin gets attacked all the time with irrelevant things by some people on the forum, it's just reflective of how western liberal society responds to people with alternative views.

Yes, and other societies are so much more tolerant in that regard. North Korea, the Islamic State, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Venezuela, castles of ideological pluralism them all.

I've not heard of figures with those names from American or British history. Who are North Korea, Islamic State, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Cuba, and Venezuela? And why do most of those not have last names? And what sort of parents did they have that would name their child such names that either were or would be (probably without the parents possibly knowing) countries. That's pretty weird.

I'm sure George HW Bush carried a grudge from the primaries when Ronnie Raygun kept calling him the "w" word, "wimp" and wanted to prove his cojones after the election.

If you're gonna try and make me feel bad about derailing the thread you'll be disappointed. This is among the dumbest things every posted on the forum. It's nothing but an invitation for people to shit on politicians they disagree with.

"I'm sure George HW Bush carried a grudge from the primaries when Ronnie Raygun kept calling him the "w" word, "wimp" and wanted to prove his cojones after the election."

Quite the leap from being sore he only got to the vice president on to organizing a coup d'etat. Stop being ridiculous.

Yup, Charles Manson was totally a politician.

"I like how Cromwell gets a pass from Obiwan because the Jews weren't affected, just the Irish. Guess nobody else matters."

1. How did he get a pass when he was my NOMINEE for Most Evil Brit? Last I checked, acknowledging someone did one nice thing DOESN'T erase mass murder...

2. Speaking of, *you* stand by your Stalin love because...um...reasons--so really? You, who make more apologies for more blood-stained mass murders than anyone here when they happen to be from a communist state, YOU are going to make such a complaint?

...Well, of course you are.

You're the aptly-named Putin...

And it's me, after all--and you can't join a thread without pissing on me! (Which is ALL you've contributed so far--glad to see you're as productive as ever!)

:D

I am being ridiculous to point out the farcical nature of Tolstoy's assertion.

" How did he get a pass when he was my NOMINEE for Most Evil Brit? Last I checked, acknowledging someone did one nice thing DOESN'T erase mass murder..."

But he doesn't win because he did something for the Jews.

Hinckley was well connected to the Bush family. It's about as absurd as the idea that LBJ offed Kennedy, which few think it is absurd.

"They're all saints and angels."

Compared to the American and British war/torture/coup/assassination/civil war promoting governments who have destroyed much of the world and are hellbent on destroying the rest of it? Yes. 100%.

Keep on trying to deflect from the crimes of your own country.

The only reason Cromwell helped the Jews return to England was he was a religious zealot that believed there wouldn't be a Second Coming until that happened. Boy was he disappointed.

Methinks someone who really wanted a remote control helicopter for Christmas got socks again...

The idea that LBJ offed Kennedy is completely absurd.
It's just every so slightly less absurd than the idea that GHWB was behind the attempt on Reagan.

*ever

It's like a genetic imperative for all Albion dwellers to crack jokes every three seconds. Two things Anglo-Saxons love dearly, bad comedy and bombing countries.

Cheer up, Putin. Tis the holidays! Surely the warm feeling you get when you're out trying to get Fairytale of New York taken off the airwaves and mistletoe banned for promoting the patriarchal society hasn't left you already?

"But he doesn't win because he did something for the Jews."

O.o

I nominated him.

I made him my pick for the Most Evil Brit Ever.

The ONLY thing I did was admit a historical fact, that he let Jews back into England.

I NEVER said that excused him or *didn't* make him the most evil Brit.

Look for another straw to grasp at, why doncha...

The only Brit I nominated was Cromwell, unless you count Eddie.

"It's like a genetic imperative for all Albion dwellers to crack jokes every three seconds. Two things Anglo-Saxons love dearly, bad comedy and bombing countries."

Ah...that's the sensitive, non-bigoted Putin we all know and love! :D

"Methinks someone who really wanted a remote control helicopter for Christmas got socks again..."

Methinks someone wrote Santa a nasty letter at age 8 declaring him a capitalist tool of oppression whose elves and reindeer would face a righteous firing squad someday, and has received naught but coal ever since.

Then again, perhaps Putin celebrates that great and glorious "Festivus For the Rest of Us" and this is just his traditional "Airing of grievances."

...Nah. He hates Seinfeld. Oh well. :p

To be fair to Putin, most Christmas music is truly awful.

"Compared to the American and British war/torture/coup/assassination/civil war promoting governments who have destroyed much of the world and are hellbent on destroying the rest of it? Yes. 100%."

I hope you live long enough to see the gulags opened in North Korea. Maybe you'll finally see how monstrous your views really are then.


"Hinckley was well connected to the Bush family. It's about as absurd as the idea that LBJ offed Kennedy, which few think it is absurd."

You really are a moron if you believe this. For either situation.

Didn't the U.S. government force some captives to listen to Christmas music on loop as a form of...enhanced incarceration?

"I hope you live long enough to see the gulags opened in North Korea. Maybe you'll finally see how monstrous your views really are then."

I'm pretty sure he could be thrown in one of their gulags and still hail the Kim Family.

Theodore Roosevelt is high up there for the States.
There have been too many evil Englishmen for me to decide for the Brits.

I haven't voted for an American yet.... I go for Thomas Jefferson, and Ed Gein.

The thing with TR and Jefferson, though, is while both have HUGE flaws you can hold against them, most (keyword "most") would argue both did a lot of good as well. (You may disagree--feel free, *I* am not saying they did a lot of good, just stating the pretty-obvious fact most people would defend 2/4 Rsuhmore Presidents.)

And I think the "Most Evil" title, from my perspective anyway, has to go to someone who did all or almost-all evil, with little to nothing redeeming.

Jefferson was a racist and a slave owner, but plenty would point to his John Locke-borrowed Declaration of Independence, the Louisiana Purchase, and Enlightenment idealism as redeeming factors.

Teddy was an imperialist, but he was also a trust buster (though not as big of one as Taft, by the numbers) and did start the first national parks and was a major conservationist to boot.

So both have arguable positives.

That's why I personally like the J. Edgar Hoover or, for my part, Jefferson Davis/the Confederate Leadership as the the Most Evil American(s.)

There's little to nothing to be said in defense of THEM...they didn't declare independence for the nation, weren't an Enlightenment thinker and figurehead, didn't vastly expand the nation's wealth, power, or the overall well-being of its citizens, didn't conserve land or create new economic policies to make businesses more accountable...

One was a gestapo fascist in all but name, and the others tried to destroy the nation and keep millions in bondage (and if it was wrong for Jefferson to keep slaves in the 18th century--AND IT WAS--imagine how wrong it was to not only keep them but actively promote slavery and fight for its survival in 1865, LONG after Britain and others had abolished the heinous policy.)