And http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=775

Looks like someone spammed their forum at some point.

There's where it explains how the pdfs got on the site.

As a mod, I'm impressed with how they've successfully implemented their Chase account.

Wow, what an interesting read. Why would anyone pay though? What do you get for a premium membership? Seems ridiculous.

New Response to jmo:

"I have no idea what the license situation is or was, Avalanche is the only one who can answer that. I also have no problem if the license requires that we credit someone for the original design. But let's be clear - there are huge swathes of the PlayDiplomacy.com codebase that I have written. We have kept to a large extent the original naming structure and design, but the code is vastly different. For example, the main engine (the Judge which does the adjudication) is all completely new - I rewrote it to fix all the problems with it. The base code has been changed to enable the use of better quality maps and icons, add new game versions, provide automated recovery and self-healing, change the scoring / rating system, change the statistics, change the way draws are handled...the list is endless. I suspect if we counted lines there is a relatively small percentage of original code remaining. The basic map display and messaging system is currently still quite similar to the way it was, but beyond that the vast majority of the code has been changed or rewritten.

I don't mean to sound grumpy, but I was annoyed that there seemed to bee some sort of implication (and maybe it is me being oversensitive) that our code base was mostly written be someone else. This is just not true."

Lol. Replying but keeping the thread locked. Talk about open debate.

Honestly, when PayDip gets slapped with a Cease and Desist from Hasbro for charging for a game they don't have the rights to, I'd just as soon not have anything linking them to use. And, let's be honest, their site is ugly as fuck. Why do we want credit for that?

Let's spend less time harassing other websites and more time improving our own.

abge, stop being so damn rational. We here at webDip are proud that we never take the high road, and you as our Ombudsman should embody that.

@Abgemacht,

Sir, it is very noble of you to wish to take the high road. I for one wish nothing but the best to our esteemed colleagues of the Play Diplomacy online web video game site.

That being said, is it really advantageous for us to discourage our peers here, most of them highly devious teen-agers, not to troll those whom have earned their ire? Do you not on the balance appreciate the fine art of trolling?

Is their any higher purpose for the internet than anonymous abuse of the wicked?

"Is their any higher purpose for the internet than anonymous abuse of the wicked?"

Posting and looking at videos of cats.

In all seriousness though, trolling them is unnecessary and childish, but it's good to complain about them here every once in a while because they are just awful.

Their apparent lead developer doesn't understand how licenses work and refuses to acknowledge that anyone else may have contributed significantly to his project. Their owner seems to find joy in making all sorts of defamatory remarks about how unsuccessful kestas is and how much better he is while ignoring the fact that he was swindled by a bunch of sketchy "developers," is making money off of the work of the very person he's insulting, and is breaking the law in multiple ways while making that money. On top of that, the site is awful.

"and you as our Ombudsman should embody that."

Yeah, I'm not so sure you know what "ombudsman" means...

"Do you not on the balance appreciate the fine art of trolling?"

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but most people on this site are not as good at trolling as they like to think they are.

Where's conservative man? Now that guy is a true pro. We should send him over there to ask for relationship advise.

Those chats with the porn girl are still the best thing that has ever happened to the world.

Someone should publish a book of all CM's threads on this site.

I made that post because I happened to know that the owner had previously had a credit to Kestas on the about page, and I was annoyed when I noticed it was gone. I'll be discussing it with their admin and we'll see if I can't explain how a license works. People attacking them about it will just make that harder though.

For those interested:

http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?detail=threads&userID=22406

Abgemacht,

Yes the millennials, or whatever the devil one calls young persons these days, seem to take no interest in devoting themselves to or perfecting any craft. That they do not exceed at trolling is testament not only to their lackadaisical character, but also their immense timidity and puscilaneousness.
I can admit that I've seldom known any of them to turn off the Facebook long enough to kick a football or take a walk.
But really, I take responsibility for this. If the young are overly restful, it is perhaps that no one has inspired them. No one has educated the young to understand that ambition is itself admirable. They have no role models - no one to look up to.

Yes, their attempts at trolling are feeble, but it is practice that can remediate this. Trolling, like Rome, can not be built in a day.

^The best troll.

PlayDip admins seem like assholes.

playdip blows donkey dick Lol

"I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but most people on this site are not as good at trolling as they like to think they are."

I blame myself for this, I used to be a pro and my amazing charisma resulted in a lot of subpar copycats. Sorry guys.

But on a slightly more serious note, why hasn't hasbro slapped paydip with a cease and desist?

I have ~10 real life friends who play there (much to my annoyance), and I've tried on multiple occasions to get them to play here instead, to no avail. As a result I do have an account there which I use exclusively to play with them.

I would imagine hasbro either don't care or don't know. Possibly both.

The cost of enforcing a cease-and-desist order via lawsuit for something as niche as Diplomacy is almost certainly not worth whatever scant benefit in terms of increased board sales they might see.

Whenever I remember that Britain is called England in diplomacy, I get seriously pissed off.

Wait, sorry I thought that the thread topic said hate on diplomacy (in general) here.

"The cost of enforcing a cease-and-desist order via lawsuit for something as niche as Diplomacy is almost certainly not worth whatever scant benefit in terms of increased board sales they might see."

I feel it might even hurt them. I never would have discovered the game if not for stumbling upon this website. I liked it so much my friends got me a boxed set for Christmas.