Lol.. you are providing the statistics at present. I'm responding to them. If you expect me to provide different numbers, you are only saying that you think your numbers might be wrong. They won't change if I say them instead of you.

@Draug / Bo - If my anti-Putin posts offend you, sorry. Bo - I'm not insulting that ass clown to seek praise - far from it, I'm insulting that ass clown because he deserves it, because it's so easy to do, and because I seek to side=-track him from whatever perverted anti-American twisted-history bullshit he is about to spew. Particularly in the case of someone like you, Bo, who, while intelligent, are often susceptible/gullible to left-wing perversions of history of socialist nonsense I feel compelled to do what I can to quiet him or distract him.

Anyway - if I were the only one to vomit on in endless crap and irritate people, I might consider being quiet. But since both of you and many others around here have taken their turn on the Asstard podium that you now place me - I'll take my turn with a smile, and continue to badger that shit sucking, lying piece of shit Putin when the mood strikes me.

Even in this recent thread, you are looking at a moron that worships a Russian state and an mad (Putin) in particular that is violently anti-homosexual, and yet he skips around here pretending he is pro-homosexual, even as he mocked them in another thread. I have no use for such a flagrant hypocrite.

I may be a frequent and vocal asshole - but I am at least consistent.

Christianity cannot be generalized like that, what a protestant believes varies from what a catholic believes which too various from what an orthodox christian believes. The USA is predominantly protestant, so they already have no idea what the hell they believe in, they go to churches where everyone can preach bullshit and wrong interpretations, and mislead the listeners. Christianity in general (unless again you're one of those protestants like the "United Church" lol) is against homosexuality, yes, but it is one thing to say all gays are damned and are going to hell, and another to deny their rights to be gay. Gays too are people, and the creation of god, they are lost, yes, but they too share the same god given liberty that all mankind has.

You said Christianity no more advocates opposition to gay rights than atheism does. Yet atheists somehow have no problem with gay rights, while boatloads of Christians do, especially the ones who actually bother abiding by their moral imperative to attend services. I'm not going to take your word for it that Christian opposition to gay marriage isn't rooted in Christian doctrine. Talk is cheap. Actions matter.

"Christianity cannot be generalized like that"

Yes, actually, it can. Conservatives love to hide behind liberal churches when they get called out for infecting our body politic with hate. The fact is opposition to gay rights goes up with identification with religion.

From my first link:

"hese results also underscore the importance of religion as a correlate of these attitudes. A simple indicator of religiosity -- religious service attendance -- is a powerful predictor of views on same-sex marriage, with seven in 10 of those who attend weekly saying they are opposed, and seven in 10 of those who seldom or never attend saying they are in favor."

"atheists somehow have no problem with gay rights"

Rather a broad statement. How does it follow that people who don't believe in God automatically have no problem with homosexuality? Look at how Cuba treats HIV positive people, for one counter example.

Belief in God and opinion of homosexuality are distinct categories. But we all know your real goal here is getting in some jabs against Christianity to stroke your anti-theism urges.

You really don't want to embarrass yourself here, Invictus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-duran/is-cuba-taking-the-lead-on-lgbt-equality-in-latin-america_b_2411729.html

"o maybe she truly was speaking from the heart during her U.S. tour. In Cuba I also spent time with a very special person, Miguel, who spends his time volunteering on Mariela's various campaigns and told me he is HIV-positive, which was something I never expected to discuss on my trip. Miguel's story opened my eyes to other questions I had about Cuba. It was enlightening to know that Cuba offers complete medical care and even extra nourishment to those living with HIV."

Don't you dare compare how Cuba treats HIV positive people with the United States.

"But we all know your real goal here is getting in some jabs against Christianity to stroke your anti-theism urges."

Like your real goal with going ape about Russia's law is bashing Russia and Putin, as you contnue your disgusting support of the Republican Party.

"How does it follow that people who don't believe in God automatically have no problem with homosexuality? "

Look at the polls. I don't give a fig about your logical quandaries. People with no religion are more supportive of gay rights. This is a fact.

"I'm not going to take your word for it that Christian opposition to gay marriage isn't rooted in Christian doctrine. Talk is cheap. Actions matter."

Then get off this godforsaken forum where your words only get attacked with more useless words and go picket the Westboro Baptist "Church" and other places that preach intolerance.

"You said Christianity no more advocates opposition to gay rights than atheism does."

It doesn't. It's just easier to twist because Christian beliefs are laid out in thousands of pages of writing full of technicalities (to use my own birth religion [Judaism], you know people with disabilities weren't allowed into the temples, right? Doesn't mean I am dumb enough to say they should be locked up for life...) while atheist beliefs are largely unwritten and up to the individual.

"The fact is opposition to gay rights goes up with identification with religion."

Opposition of civil rights (notice how I keep calling it that?) goes up when people like Pat Robertson call themselves Christians. Doesn't mean an actual Christian that has real Christian beliefs does.

You don't speak for Christianity.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-11-04/news/mn-1196_1_aids-quarantine-center

Hey, maybe it's been better recently, but in the past they were involuntarily tested and quarantined. I can't imagine you support locking up HIV positive people, or forcing testing which could easily be used as blackmail for closeted homosexuals?


And at any rate, the point (which you dodge as usual) is that one's belief in God is a separate issue from one's views on homosexuality. One does not necessarily define a person's views on the other, either way.

For someone speaking without hesitation for the whole of Christianity, that's a strong statement.

"You don't speak for Christianity."

You do?

Nice cross post :)

I'm through trying to persuade the religious, who reject rationality anyway.

They run fake "non-profit" hospitals in which they deprive their employees of access to birth control, and pay their executives half a million in bonuses alone.

They frequently intervene in politics with 503cs while keeping their tax exempt status, all the while complaining about state "interference" in their ability to discriminate.

They get special rules about auditing, so that their tax exempt status is never reviewed.

They're generally a blight on this country and are keeping it from realizing its full potential, spouting nonsense about everything from evolution to AGW. America is backward precisely because of its religiosity.

"One does not necessarily define a person's views on the other, either way."

The correlations between the attitudes mean more than your wishful thinking.

"And at any rate, the point (which you dodge as usual) is that one's belief in God is a separate issue from one's views on homosexuality."

I didn't dodge shit. I exposed your lies about Cuba's policy toward HIV, which is a hell of a lot better than Christian America. Bringing up policy from 30 years, when AIDS was very poorly understood, is a bunch of garbage.

"You do?"

Never claimed to. I cite the polls regarding these attitudes and the very obvious correlations. You do a bunch of hand waving and try to wish it away, claiming that the attitudes aren't related based on nothing whatsoever.

America is backwards because JP Morgan, Bank of America, Exxon, Chevron, Microsoft, Apple, and other large companies own Congress and because Michelle Bachmann's healthcare plan is predictably titled "Rapture."

It's amazing how he can fit so much misinformation into a single post at 3:16.

I don't know if I'm more sad that he actually believes that or impressed at the skill of his brainwasher.

I love how Putin can generalize Christianity like that, and reply with "Yes, actually, it can."
I too can generalize all communists as people who support genocide, Stalin, Mao, deprivation of rights, are against freedom of speech, to which you'll give me a bullshit answer, well, you "ideal communism" was never implemented and never will because its impossible and as you said:
"Talk is cheap. Actions matter."
Who cares what communism supposedly preaches? The message isn't getting through, and I don't trust any self-proclaimed leader's claim that they know the real meaning of this confusing ideology

Congress doesn't run the entire country, as you federalists are keen to point out.

"Bringing up policy from 30 years, when AIDS was very poorly understood, is a bunch of garbage."

Putin33's only commandment: Thous shalt not speak ill of any action by another communist.

Nope, I support actually existing socialism, not theoretical pie in the sky socialism.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

let me give you some actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

"Putin33's only commandment: Thous shalt not speak ill of any action by another communist."

Another substantive contribution from the Fortune Teller.

You've become a miniature version of Krelin. It's really sad.

When the rightwing hordes can't think of anything else to say, they resort to wikipedia in an effort to derail a conversation into historical arguments they've already lost 500 times now and have no clue about.

Because Putin never once provided a wikipedia link, and never once tried to derail a conversation with historical arguments

Is this prediction thing supposed to hurt my feelings? I never claimed infallibility. I make educated guesses, like anyone else. You just never like them so you it's become an issue for you for some reason.

As for being a miniature version of krellin, for all his colorful language, struggles with alcoholism, and ignorance of wide swathes of human knowledge, he does seem to be a good father with a steady job and a generally good life. There are worst things to be like. I could be like you.

Please tell me the secret to your virtuousness