And ora, you were the one said they were at risk of being murdered in men's rooms. I am just insisting you follow up on your claim.

Actually, the number of murders of TG people is vanishingly small compared to rapes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

Not to excuse it when it happens, of course -- it's horrible. But your analysis strikes me as a little facile.

I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this, because it was thoroughly discussed in an earlier thread, as others have pointed out; but I'll just restate (as I stated there) that I tend to think sex, and not gender (however defined) is the relevant criterion for restrooms and (especially) locker rooms.

And finally, kids that young have the gender identity their parent's pushed on them. Little.boys and.little.girls are influenced by their parents. Daddy wanted a little boy so he gets a tomgirl who plays baseball. Momma always wanted a a little girl so her son takes up sewing and cooking. When the parents push it to extreme, little boys play dress up and little girls wear blue jeans and t-shirts with their hair cut short.

Lol Draugnar your understanding of this issue is very immature and presumptious. A tomgirl who plays baseball is not the same a person with transgender issues.

I honestly think you believe this whole thing is just a fantasy or perversion that results from situational criteria rather than an actual gender identity or sexuality issue. Which means that the whole point of discussing this with you is rather pointless.

Of course, if transgender people WERE some sort of emotionally confused paedophillic group of ladyboys, your concerns would be valid. But that is a complete fabrication...

Sex is an act. Gender is body parts. Gender identification should have shit to do with restrooms and.locker rooms. A woman shouldn't have to see a Wang when she is at her most vulnerable and a family shouldn't have to explain to little Jenny why Kris has something little Jenny doesn't after little Jenny sees Kris in the bathroom. For that matter, parents who "encourage" children that youmg to dress as the opposite gender should be charged with child abuse.

Philcore is 100% correct - if some swinging dick - and I don't give one shit what he "feels" like - comes out of the bathroom that my daughters were in, the last thing he is going to have to worry about is his genitals or what he feels like, because he's going to having a really tough time removing the baseball bat from his caved in skull.

And no, this has absolutely *nothing* to do with prejudice against transgenders or anythong of the sort. It has EVERYTHING to do with the RIGHT of my female child to be in a FEMALE-ONLY bathroom.

Your transgendered MAN has a dick, his genetics make him a man, not his emotions.

If I wake up an feel like a dog I don't have the right to squat and shit in my front yard.

there is a point in time where you fucked up liberal assholes need to get it through your thick skulls that "feelings" do not supercede rational thought, and do not override the responsibility for self control. Despite how you feel, an alcoholic is expected to not drink, and a man with a dick uses the men's room - PERIOD!

Draugnar, you're smart, I'm smart, let's make you a time machine so we can put you back in 1922 where you belong.

And - to clarify - it has nothing to do either with whether or not the swinging dick in the men's room is a pedo -- it is about my early teen daughters not being embarrassed and terrified by the dick in the ladies room, which would be a natural response!

I'm pretty sure that references to sex in this context refer to being biologically XX or XY, not the verb. Gender isn't body parts, it's a social and psychological construct.

/end pedantry.

@Here - and likeminded fools - in common parlance, the word "sex" is very often used synonymously with "gender". To the fools thinking they are scoring points by making such nonsensical arguments, get over yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex "Organisms of many species are specialized into male and female varieties, each known as a sex."

Just as the word "asshole" can have two meanings:
Asshole: The orifice from which you shit
Asshole: The swinging dick in the ladies room scaring my daughters.
Asshole: The morons on webdip that thinks my daughters should be forced to be confronted by a creepy swinging dick in the ladies room.

Draugnar and krellin the ultraconservative evil fuckers emerge from the woodwork to hang all homosexuals and perverts from a tree.

Serious Point: The other *huge* flaw with this *idiotic* concept is that as soon as you give permission for swinging dicks that "feel" like a woman to go in to the women's room, you immediately open up the door to all the *perverts* that just want to go to the ladies room to feel up women. But of course, such common sense escapes assholes like Obi...

Krellin, I wish you would actually act upon your violent fantasies just once, so we could remove you from our society. Luckily you are just full of shit.

SYnapse...I never said homosexuals are evil or perverted. You, liberal moron that you are, can't separate idiocy from common sense.

I don't want my daughters confronted with a cock in the women's bathroom - what the fuck is so hard to understand about that!?!?!

I never said gays can't use the bathroom - and we are not talking about gays, your ignorant fuck -- but you use the bathroom that matches your genitals, as Draug said.

But who is the real closed-minded asshole here? Is SYn...who is now suggesting that transgenders are all homosexuals and (HIS WORD) perverts.

Nice, SYnapse...way to be open minded about alternate lifestyles.

Draug and I have not said negative things about a lifestyle choice...we have simply suggested you use the appropriate bathroom so as to not invade the rightful privacy of women in the bathroom!

Fortunately, SYn, I live in a society where should fringe assholes as Obi are relegated to discussion and not reality and the swinging dicks will never get their demented wish to play with themselves in the ladies room.

Why? What problem is there with a penis in the women's bathroom?

I for one, who actually have a daughter due in a few months, have no issue with this.

Your conclusion seems to be that the only reason a person with a penis would want to use the women's bathroom is out of perversion, which is just wrong.

The problem with you in general Krellin is you continually deny being bigoted while remaining in a bigoted stance, leaving whoever is arguing with you exasperated. Please stop changing your terms of argument so that I can tear them apart.

SYn - well if a guy can just whip it out in a women's bathroom, I suppose you have no problem with public nudity in general, right?

So....why don't you just drop your trousers and take a walk down Main Street. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you. After all, everyone like to see open cock. Go for it...

I *pity* your future daughter. You are a **horrible** father-to-be.

A guy can't just whip it out in a women's bathroom. Women's bathrooms have cubicles, not urinals.

If you're talking about illegally wandering in there and showing a penis off, a man can do that anyway and this has nothing to do with transgenderism.

As a guy who has used public (and private, believe it or not) restrooms for years, I rarely if ever see a dick in a restroom, swinging or otherwise.
Also, women's bathrooms use stalls not urinals, so the chance of anyone seeing said swinging dick is dramatically decreased.

I guess SYnapse beat me to it

I get the impression krellin has never been to a nude beach either. Not an erection or sexual activity in sight, despite the amount of naked people around.

I was making no argument either way with regard to transgender people and toilets and I wasn't trying to score any points. Untwist your knickers and don't call someone who makes a simple statement about definitions a fool. I'm not a fool. I was merely pointing out that statements like 'Sex is an act' and 'gender is your body parts' aren't correct in this context.

Now it is bathrooms, but it will become changing rooms as soon as we allow it in bathrooms. In fact, I believe the last conversation we had was about changing rooms. And as a guy who has a membership to a YMCA, I guarantee you I see more than one penis everytime I go to change and shower after my workout or swim. And don't say "well schools don't have those" cause they do. Phys. Ed was required from 6th through 9th grade where I went to school and changing/locker rooms existed.

Oh, and one more thing... You think teens boys would be tough on a ladyboy, try teen girls and their bitchiness. You ain't seen nothing till you've seen a high school cat fight and those girls would rip some poor ladyboys extensions out and probably rip off his junk so that he wouldn't *need* the surgery to become a she.

"Now it is bathrooms, but it will become changing rooms as soon as we allow it in bathrooms"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

"A guy can't just whip it out in a women's bathroom. Women's bathrooms have cubicles, not urinals. "

Really? People change clothes in bathrooms all the time. Every day? No...but it is not uncommon in the least, especialyl in, for example, a public bathroom at a beach or at a sporting facility.

As for whether or not I have ever been to a nude beach - irrelevant. I'm talking about my daughters in a NON-nudist situation being confronted by the guy posing as a transgender getting off by exposing himself to them in a public bathroom. Because the *real* perverts are just waiting with baited breath for this sort of legislation to allow them access to the women's room. Further, who ever said anything about an erection? I didn't. You are the one suggeting that....but even still, whether or not a man is erect, his cock has no place being in front of my daughter.

What the fuck is wrong with you, anyway?

SYnapse...please...let me know when you take that naked stroll down Main Street. Tell the cops dragging you away in cuffs it's really no big deal, OK? Oh...wait...you have retracted yoru idea that public nudity is acceptable, I see. Well, *public* bathrooms are *public*....get it? i.e. a man's nude body -- and there will be nude men in the women's room if this were to pass -- is public nudity.

Just once I *beg* of you moronic liberals to exercise a shred of common sense when tryign to assess what the *real* results of such legislation would be.


And someone pleeeeease tell me....how is it so uncomfortable for a transgendered *MAN* to go in to the men's room and use a stall? Explain that to me....someone....please...

Regarding schools - my high school daughter has already reported to me that a female student, who in the last couple years decided she doesn't want to be a girl has tried to use the boys room.

The girls think she's an idiot. The boys are alternately lining up to watch her (there are no doors on the men's rooms stalls), or repulsed by the idea that this stupid bitch wants in to their bathroom. So there you go...that's how it is playing out in my daughter's school. The school has ignored her requests, naturally. She can wear suits to the dance and do whatever she wants otherwise...but she is a girl, despite her constant need for public attention (and she is a well-known attention whore...).