For the record YJ I am still attempting to defend everyone, you too, even if you are "suspicious." I don't think lynching today is a good idea, period. I hope some of the non-committed people will vote non-lynch and end this witch hunt before we have a dead townie.

Sorry, I was looking at the count you posted earlier.

Alright, per YJ's wishes:

##VOTE YJ

Unofficial vote count:

No-lynch (4): Thucydides, Fasces349, AlexNesta, kasimax
Chaqa (4): captainmeme, VashtaNeurotic, krellin
Yellowjacket (3): y2kjbk, pjmansfield99, WardenDresden, Chaqa, Yellowjacket, abgemacht

Votes outstanding (5): TheMinisterOfWar, The Hanged Man, Seyvas, yebellz, TheJok3r

@Thucy

Are you kidding me? We're going to have a dead townie no matter what we do. What will it take to convince you lynching someone this turn is a necessary evil?

Oh, the numbers are wrong. Should be 3 for Chaqa, 6 or Yellowjacket

Why the fuck are you guys going to kill YJ.,. Just to lock you into an agreement to lynch me? It makes no sense.

@abge: something extremely suspicious, or someone who is working a little too hard to get me killed

I'm convinced that Chaqa and YJ are working together. It's the only way YJ's crazy ruse makes any sense. The only way we find out is if we kill one of them.

Might as well by YJ since it's his fault Chaqa and him are in this mess.

Alright then, lynch away. I don't see why YJ would invite himself to be lynched knowing we will find out his identity after he is dead. Maybe I'm just not smart enough for this game lol

Thucy, assuming that the people who are voting to lynch YJ are going to vote for you as well just because he says they should seems a bit jumpy. While I do find him suspicious, and have already had my doubts with you, it's definitely a pause for concern when you provide that reaction. Even with your stance of wanting a no lynch, that seemed REALLY jumpy.

Yes, we are working together. Because you crazies are insistent upon lynching someone for no reason. To me the most suspicious person is you, abgemacht. I may disagree with krellin but he's given no reason to be a mafia member beyond being an ass. Thucy has likewise been fairly straightforward in his posts. Maybe they're working together, maybe not.

But you've been flip flopping all over for no real reason other than "suspicions".

How is it a cause for concern that I don't want to get lynched? As I said, me getting lynched would be bad for the town. Please don't find that out the hard way.

"Because you crazies are insistent upon lynching someone for no reason."

Reasons have been provided on numerous occasions. Just because those reasons are not agreed on, does not make them for "no reason".

Sigh this is going nowhere. Undoubtedly we are going to lynch a townie and be that much closer to defeat. I'm going to bed.

Thucy, the logic I'm getting at is that YJ with his posting(while advocating for you to be lynched) has managed to rack up a mass of people willing to vote for him. To assume that we would follow his wishes after the fact while we already disagree with him seems a bit foolish.

Unless of course, you're sitting there knowing that he's going to flip town and you've got that guilty conscience.

Vanilla townspeople are not autonomous units. We're more like soldier ants. The sooner the rest of you see that, the more likely it is we win. My death will bring a wealth of information to the colony, and I will enjoy seeing thucy (and then probably abge) die in turn.

Likewise I'm going to bed. In the morning, I'll see how the winds have shifted.

If a good amount of people vote to lynch abgemacht, or to vote no lynch, I may change my vote.

"But you've been flip flopping all over for no real reason other than "suspicions"."

I'm flip flopping because I don't *want* to kill someone, but I feel compelled to for reasons clearly laid out yesterday.

"To assume that we would follow his wishes after the fact while we already disagree with him seems a bit foolish."

Spoken like a guy who isn't willing to sacrifice himself, Joker. Of COURSE you don't want them to follow my wishes after I die. But you can't hide the fact that after death, I become the most trustworthy person in the game.

It happens Thucy. Innocents need to die for the greater good. From my perspective, I'd rather gain useful information and have a chance at whacking a mafia member than do nothing.

You keep claiming this is going nowhere, but this is one of the most productive Day 1's I've been apart of in a long time. There is A LOT of information going around. Just because this seems worthless to you right now and maybe tomorrow, it does not mean it will be worthless 4 days from now.

I would also change my vote to lynch abge, thucy, joker, or y2k. Lots of intel to be had there. But I'm quite content to leave it on me as well.

Not from my view, YJ. One, we aren't all necessarily vanilla, two, if I am lynched it leaves the decisions later to the others, whose judgment I cannot account for.

I also am still really confused what "wealth of information" we will get when we lynch someone and find out they were a good guy, because that is more than likely what is going to happen.

I also still do not understand the "innocent people are going to be dead tomorrow anyway" argument. Yes, but if we lynch, even MORE of us will be dead.

Where exactly did I say I don't want them to follow your wishes? My posts in regards to Thucy actually backed your sentiments. Please read my posts again and I think you'll find I was questioning Thucy's reaction quite a bit.

And sacrificing one's self is just foolish. You simply accomplish a, "told you so" in exchange for painting somebody badly because you had a gut feeling.

"Yes, but if we lynch, even MORE of us will be dead."

This logic is true every damn day. What the actual fuck Thucy!

WHAT USEFUL INFORMATION???

Okay so we lynch YJ and discover he was a vanilla. So???? He doesn't know anything if that's true, and so all his "suspicions" will be useless information. We will only begin to know anything about anyone once people have started to die. No need to raise the death toll this phase.

Lots to process here. I still favor lynching someone. I'm not sure what to make of YJ drawing fire on himself, although I suppose it's at least somewhat effective because I don't think he's Mafia.

Intuitively, I get the most "funny feeling" about Chaqa. I went back and read all of his posts, and can't really point to any particular thing. Perhaps that's just my lack of game experience, but I'll go with my funny feeling and enter a vote.

##VOTE Chaqa

Joker the first day is different because NONE OF US KNOWS ANYTHING. Hellooo

So Thucy, what makes you think the mafia or serial killer are going to kill anybody that the town wants dead to determine more information? You really don't think they can observe this discussion and see how lost we are? And realize they can kill certain people and tomorrow we have the same information? Please Based Thucy, see the light.

@joker: I suppose you were.

But it's more than just a "gut feeling." I'd rather die this turn and have a baddie die next turn than sit on my thumbs this turn and lose 3 friendlies with little gain.

But since you're so convinced I'm a good guy all of a suddenly, maybe you'd be tempted to change your vote to lynch thucy, who you are so much less sure of?