The really hilarious part is that they forget to mention that the jury was all female. Polling shows that females are 20% more likely to believe that Zimmerman was guilty. The deck was stacked against Zimmerman and he still beat the charges.

GunF - If brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose, I wish you weren't American, they don't need the publicity and reputation people like you give them. Thank the Lord you are an ever-decreasing minority, there's still hope :-)

17 years old ...... he was just a boy

Saying this to a bunch of 17 year olds will likely not work as well as that great dynamite joke you posted just before.

I love that you can still keep a sense of humour about this Nigee. Wish I had your strength on this particular issue. This shit really gets to me, makes me fear the worst for that nation. The blind racism, the gun culture... the incapacity to see how wrong it is that someone, anyone, had to die in this situation.

"17 years old...he was just a boy!" Haaa ha ha ha ha! Talk to all the kids 18 and under on here and tell them "they are just boys/children" and they will, to a person, bristle with rage, and tell me that they have every right to say/do whatever they want and they are no different than adults, blah blah blah....until one of them fucks up and gets killed, needs a hand-out, etc. Nice double standard...

Of course, then there are the idiots like Cach that actually think one incident defines and entire nation, who actually believe the Race-Baiter in Chief in the White House and his minions like Al Sharpton (None of whom have *any* personal/financial interest in seeing racial divides prolonged and exacerbated...<rolls eyes...>), etc. Morons who actually believe we have some universal "gun culture" in the US that is killing people in droves...when in *fact*, the gun violence in this country is *very* narrowly focused on certain social demographics...

...but, you know...we don't want to let those pesky little FACTS get in the way of hysterical, over-the-top, the-sky-is-falling rhetoric!!! Way to go, Cach...you freaking moron!

^^^^^

Not to mention the fact that he was a pot-smoking thug.

"Morons who actually believe we have some universal "gun culture" in the US that is killing people in droves...when in *fact*, the gun violence in this country is *very* narrowly focused on certain social demographics."

Can you elaborate on your phrase "certain social demographics" *without* coming across like a Jim Crow racist? Not that I'm sure I want you do. I just want to know whether it's possible.

hecks -- pointing out the *factual* distribution of violence among social demo-graphics has nothign to do with Jim Crow racism, you stupid fucktard.

This is why I said **social** demongraphics, not racial demograpihcs.

Once again, the fucking bleeding heart liberals are so wrapped up in emotion as to blind themselves to facts.

SOCIAL implies exactly what it says - violence related to social structures -- inner city, lower income, etc...WHICH INCLUDES INDIVIDUALS OF ALL RACES, ASSMUNCH!

God...stupid fucktard.

We'll add, Single-Parent, high-crime neighborhoods with incarcerated family members, prevalent drug culture, etc.

Which, again, has NOTHING to do with race.

But Hecks...THANK YOU FOR DEMONSTRATING YOUR RACISM by assuming anything mention of "social " factors equates to race.

You are exactly the type of asshole who, in the name of good, promotes racism in this country at every turn to keep your cause alive.

"aaa ha ha ha ha! Talk to all the kids 18 and under on here and tell them "they are just boys/children" and they will, to a person, bristle with rage, and tell me that they have every right to say/do whatever they want and they are no different than adults, blah blah blah....until one of them fucks up and gets killed, needs a hand-out, etc. Nice double standard..."

No krell, we merely point out that you can't use the fact that we're younger than you to automatically win every argument, and then you enter a mad rage usually ending in an absence from the forums and a refusal to man up.

I think you're just jealous that we have our lives ahead of us and you've already wasted the best years of yours as an angry, racist alcoholic who enjoys going on an internet forum and spewing his bullshit. Trayvon had the best years of his life ahead of him too, and they were taken unjustly, regardless of what the law says on the matter. That is what Nigee was saying, and I'm pretty sure any kid with half a brain would not fault him in the slightest for saying it.

"I think you're just jealous that we have our lives ahead of us and you've already wasted the best years of yours as an angry, racist alcoholic who enjoys going on an internet forum and spewing his bullshit."

I think you just made an ass of yourself and fell right into his trap by proving his point.

I won't deny that America has a pervasive gun culture. I also won't assert that such a culture is a bad thing.

Americans love guns because Americans know that guns save more lives than they take. We love guns because they literally built our nation. How was the west won? Colt and Smith & Wesson, that's how! How was World War II won? John C. Garand and John M. Browning, that's how! America has a hard-on for guns, and we should be encouraging, not discouraging, this.

The statistics tell you that guns kill people. The statistics don't tell you how many people are saved by guns, or that people kill people.

Damnit jmo, won't you let me krellin bait in peace?

ghug.
1. I am in no way angry. Quite happy with my life. Beautiful wife and children. Successful career. I do, on the other hand, pity our current youth culture, which is generalyl grossly ill-informed and under-educated, more prone to look to a hand-out than a hand-up, with expectations that government is there to provide for them, and few expectations of self-reliance. Yes...not angry at all...just grossly disappointed.
2. Alcoholic? Yes...recovering. Not proud, but I am completely dry, and I have admitted my problems on here openly. I come from a long line of alcoholics, and I am proud to admit my problem and proud that I have a loving family that supports me through my struggle. Hopefully when you run in to difficulties someday you will have such support, which includes the more thoghtful members of this community. Yes...I'm a alcoholic. Your point?
3. Racist? Not in the least. I judge every individual by their individual behavior, actions, etc. BUT...I do take issue with certain social cultures in our country, which tend to be oriented towards race/racial politics. The "black community", for example, is less interested in individual justice in cases like Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman than they are in exploiting racial politics. I look at such things as the "hip hop" culture, which by and large are predominantly embraced by the black community, and in which women are largely degraded as objects, and violence against authorities is celebrated, and I take *great* offense at such culture. I will point to individuals such as (Black man) Bill Cosby, who also speaks out against such cultural degredation, and I will sit comfortably in my beliefs that we have sick and perverse "black culture" in America. This does not make me racist...as I said, I judge every individual I meet and work with on a person by person basis. But as for "cultural" identity...I find "black America" repulsive at times, just as I do other cultural strongholds in this country, including segment of white America.

I understand that this nuanced discussion of race is something that you will completely, 100% fail to comprehend...but I also suspect that is less because you are intellectually capable of understanding it, and more because you are just a died-in-the-wool liberal who refuses to acknowledge reality.

Phew ....... get over this colour thing you white guys, black people are ok, judge the person not the colour.
They can't be that bad, you got a whole bunch of them in the White House.

Nigee -- didn't I say *exactly* that? Please read more closely.

1. You are quite often angry, or at least, that's how you display yourself here. If you come here as a place to vent, that's one thing, but I'm pretty sure you have some sort of issue.
2. You're right, that was a low blow on my part. I respect that you understand your problem and are actively working to fix it. That takes strength, and it's something to be proud of.
3. You've proven here that you are, in fact, racist. You claim to judge people as individuals, not by color, yet in every point you make you make racial judgement. You take your so called "black community" leaders and attribute their actions, with which you have personal political disagreements, and project those onto an entire race of people. You take a subculture, which is admittedly mostly black, but certainly not all black, and issue a blanket statement about its nature that, while certainly true and serious, is not as universal as you think it is. This alone might be acceptable, except that you then attribute it to a race rather than merely the group of people directly responsible, calling it "black America" and citing one man's views as those you agree with, in effect making him a poster child with which to shield yourself from claims of racism.

You are a racist krellin, you've just warped your views too much to realize it.

ghug --
1. No, not angry at all. Pity. And simoply because I make a point "forcefully" does not mean I am angry. You mistake passion for anger.
2. Thanks
3. Not racist. What I have noted is that quite often I will make a comment with **zero** references to race, and the race-baiters amongst us will still call em a racist. This, in fact, demonstrates who the real racists are.

I think you would do well to read more closely, and note interpret what people write with such a blunt hammer. I have stated my beliefs on race pretty concisely, albiet briefly, above.

There is a huge difference between examing the predominant cultural behavior/politis, etc and the act of judging a person purely on the color of his skin, as opposed to his individual actions.

I judge individuals as individuals - I could care less if you a purple with polka dots, if you are cool, honest, have integrity, work hard, etc you're OK.

But if you can't see that there are cultures in our society that are less than admirable...a "black culture" that celebrates violence and the degrdation of women, that at times seems more interested in taking from others than earning on their own...if you can't see that this is a corrupt and disfunctional culture, then I pity you. The same culture occurs in segment of the white community, for the record, and I have no use for that either. AND...I will state that not all Blacks in America adhere to this black culture that is espoused by loud and vocal "spokepersons" for black America...but sadly, when someone like Bill Cosby speaks out against current black culture, he is villified by his own people.

So let me ask you, ghug -- Is Bill Cosby a racist for speaking out against black culture in America?

I haven't followed the entirety of this thread, so what I'm about to say could seem ignorant I guess, but for what its worth, I agree with krellin on point 3. Cultural trends can be destructive (e.g. promoting violence against women is one thing I would never find acceptable).

I do, however, think that using the term "black culture" is somewhat misguided, as it implies that it encompasses all "black" people, whether or not everyone that identifies with this racial category participates in that culture. Similar, imho, to associating everyone from one political school of thought with an individual politician's actions.

@krellin--I have read your post and I realize that you do acknowledge that some of this destructive culture occurs in "white" communities as well. But does this not make the term "black culture" misleading? In theory, we could categorize Bill Cosby as either a racist or not, solely depending on what you *call* this culture. As an interesting side point for discussion, I would argue that "race" is a cultural construct, not a scientifically real concept (hence my quotations around the words white & black). Because of this, I feel communication of "racial" related issues gets inherently more confusing.

"I do, on the other hand, pity our current youth culture, which is generalyl grossly ill-informed and under-educated, more prone to look to a hand-out than a hand-up, with expectations that government is there to provide for them, and few expectations of self-reliance..."

The boring trope has been paraded by every generation. Beyond it making you sound crotchety and bitter, I am offended by the generalization and outright dismissal of my generation. It is a well that you, TC (RIP) and your ilk go to repeatedly. It is tired and ill founded.

+1000000 to Bill Cosby. I love that man! His is a voice of Reason for all races to embrace if only we will.

There are a lot of pretty ignorant people in every generation.

@ NigeeBaby

The black people are the ones that are upset by a perfectly legitimate verdict of a perfectly fair trial.

"The boring trope has been paraded by every generation. Beyond it making you sound crotchety and bitter, I am offended by the generalization and outright dismissal of my generation."

Moron...I don't dismiss your generation -- but you also suffer the same problem of ignorance that youth of every generation suffer: You think that because you are in high school and can read you suddenly know it all, and rare is it to find youth - particularly in forums such as this - where the youth actually acknowledges that maybe....just possibly....someone who is 20 years older than them has more knowledge, more experience, and can offer sound advice.

What many adults do is take their experience, take their personal failures and try to educate youth so that they do not repeat mistakes. Socialism is just one such example. On paper, in the text book, as a philosophy it sound *wonderful*...which is why ignorant youth embrace the idea. In reality, it is a miserable failure, because human beings, in general, are lazy and corrupt, and socialism requires personal integrity from *all* of the participants.

I don't dismiss youth. They have much value, but on of the jobs...one of the *obligations* of youth...is to LEARN, and to listen to those that have gone before them, beyond just the limited exposure to their "educators", whom are very often not much older than them.

But....you go on thinking you know it all. I'll laugh at you when you fail because you failed to heed the advice of caring adults around you.

@gen_lee -- Regarding the use of the term "black culture"....well, the idea that there is a a "black culture" is *widely* acknowledged and accepted by BLACKS...including the likes of Bill Cosby, pick your hip-hop artists (most of whom say that *I* can't say nigger unless I'm black....inherently suggesting that there is a specific culture that can perform certain behavior/use certain words)

There was a movie recently, Django..and for the life of me I can't remember the lead actors name - a *brilliant* comedian, actor and singer...and also one of the angriest black men in the media, who would argue with you until the sun explodes that there is a separate (and superior) black culture.

So...bury your head in the sand, pretend the world is all fuzzy grey and that racial divisions are just some archaic construct of angry white men. Someday reality will impose itself upon your intellect, by no less than the angry black culture itself...

Gunfighter:

That's pretty much the point today: the trial was fair, the verdict likely right (I think that's still debatable, but there's really little point in doing so), and the result is that it casts light on what the legal system is actually designed to do. That is: give someone the right to kill an unarmed person and get away with it.
But I know this is not how you guys who are celebrating this will see things. In your mind, the dumb people are those who didn't buy themselves a gun already and dare walk unarmed on your streets. How exactly you come to that conclusion still eludes me, but that's pretty much what your argument boils down to, isn't it?

@krellin, Let my try to be more specific:

I think, again, there are misunderstandings. Part of what I was trying to drive home, is that it does **not** matter who uses the label "black culture," the term is still misguided. Telling me that it is a valid term because someone with dark skin uses it means nothing to me. For instance, I am Jewish, but that does not necessarily make my subjective definition of Jewish culture valid and true in the eyes of society. If one salient Jewish individual publicly acts really greedy, does that mean all Jews are greedy? After all, he *is* Jewish...the action is not coming from, let's say, a Christian....

Every example you give is concerning specific individuals. You said yourself, "I judge individuals as individuals." Cool, I like that. Yet, unless I am misunderstanding you (in which case please enlighten me, I enjoy good discussion), you are suggesting here that individuals ARE representative of larger scale cultural attitudes. Also known as: stereotypes (let's re-read that example about Judaism). I never denied there are racial divisions and I never said that they are constructed by "angry white men"...or for that matter, any specific "racial" group. But I still do believe we have to be careful in how we define "racial divisions." When I use the phrase "racial division" I am generally describing widespread attitudes, psychological and cultural, towards a certain group. Just to be extra clear here, in this case the word "group" is defined by the source expressing said attitude.

All of this, not to deny the existence the "back culture" you speak of, but merely to better name it.

Krellin, he speaks out against his "own people? " You must understand what's wrong with that statement.

As for respecting elders, sure. There are people older, smarter, and wiser than me, and I am glad to learn from them, but I'm also old enough to decide for myself who I want to listen to. In this case, I'll pick any number of people before a belligerent asshole with beliefs fundamentally different than my own. Just because I should be listening to someone does not mean I should be listening to you