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ConorK (100 D)
31 Oct 15 UTC
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The Art of Correspondence ... out in hardback
For those who prefer the old fashioned (but alas, far more expensive) way of reading. This book is now available in hardback, at least in the UK. I'm not sure about the USA and if someone could confirm ya or nay, I'd appreciate it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy/dp/0993415105/
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Oct 15 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
We would like to welcome our newest members of the moderator team; who've kindly agreed to give up their social lives & free time to help keep this site running smoothly. So please welcome aboard LeonWalras, and vecna! Thank you for agreeing to help out; and I look forward to working with you.

Hellenic Riot
webDiplomacy Administrator
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
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God Team Announcement
Jesus of Nazareth has decided to step back from being the saviour of mankind due to other commitments. We'd like to thank him for all his service to his dad's creations over the months and years, and wish him luck for the future. I'm sure we'll see him in future mafia games still.

- The God Team
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Any Aussie webdippers going to PAX Aus?
I'll be there!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
29 Oct 15 UTC
Help me think of a more useful Computer Science end project!
The current plan of the teacher is for 10 16 to 18-year-old students to create and program a machine with lego-stuff that effectively sorts different colours of candy. I'm really annoyed by the prospect of spending many hours on creating something utterly useless.
Better ideas? It needs broadness, with different aspects and groups working together.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
29 Oct 15 UTC
Submissions For Issue 1 of Diplomacy Openings
https://diplomacyopenings.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/submissions-for-issue-1-now-open/
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
12 Oct 15 UTC
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Mafia XIII Game Thread
Please see below.
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DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I still don't like this convo on page six:

Balki: "@Y2K, I don't want to be side-tracked by this. I don't have opinions on lots of people. I told Demon what I want her to do in the next 24 hours, and I think she bears some scrutiny. When I have a position on Demon, you'll know it."

y2k: "fair enough, my vote stays on you but i'll stop bugging you for the time being."

Could Balki/y2k explain these comments?
Ha! Y2K, is this the first you've learned that I think you're scum. Have you been reading my vapid posts?

My biggest suspects are Toemato, Demon, Guak, and Espi, but I'm not feeling solid on any of them.

I don't see much benefit in throwing a vote around, but I'll be sure to make my vote count. Thank you.
@DeathLlama, can you elaborate on why you don't like it?
damian (675 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@Balki & Other who have listed they suspect Espi
As I've mentioned before I think Espi is likely to be town, because the mafia have nothing to gain by pointing out the TrPrado mistake. In fact the longer that went on the more time we wasted. Why do you think Espi is a good suspect?

He hasn't been back since the beginning and hasn't contributed much else, is that what you are basing your read off of?
@DeathLlama, can you elaborate on why you don't like it?
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@Balki - sorry, was sidetracked with homework.

It looks to me like you're trying to back out of a debate with y2k and I sense some hard-core buddying between you two.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I feel like if both of you were scum, you would've tried to arrange the argument dying down on your scumchat, but there's definite buddying so I feel like one of you is.
@Damian, re Espi, my evidence is thin, just as his participation is thin. I'd like to see more from him. He is on my suspect list because his play is so dramatically different from the Town Espi I learned to love in MXI. There I observed a player who liked to mix things up and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. Here he seems like someone who is afraid the speak his mind. I wish he'd post more.
@DeathLlama, you are taking the position that there is "hard-core buddying" between me and Y2K? I'd really like to see you prove that case.
damian (675 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I too wish espi would post more. If only so I could get a better read on him.

I guess that makes sense. I don't have that background to go off of. Would you say you think his pointing out the TrPrado mistake was an attempt to appear helpful and townie?
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Just the tone of those two posts seems buddying and overly polite.

Balki: "@Y2K, I don't want to be side-tracked by this. I don't have opinions on lots of people. I told Demon what I want her to do in the next 24 hours, and I think she bears some scrutiny. When I have a position on Demon, you'll know it."

y2k: "fair enough, my vote stays on you but i'll stop bugging you for the time being."
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
##VOTE YOYO if I haven't done so already. I haven't seen an adequate response to the pressure on him, as he seems to have taken a completely new position on policy lynches.

@Yoyo - when did you change your mind to so strongly support lynch-a-lurker? I can't find evidence of it in M11 or M12
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
DL, i wanted to give Balki a chance to interact with other people and not just keep endlessly defending from me. after the democratic debates are over i'll respond to balki's latest post.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
@y2k … DO is definitely scummy-lurking. DO did that last game too. I would say that meme is potentially scum-lurking as well, given that it is the exact same strategy he employed last game, but it is also the same strategy that he employs as town for god knows what reason. His post against Yoyo is solid. SS hasn't done much, even less so than usual. He hasn't come up with any stupid idea that will piss me off yet, which makes me wonder whether he has the guts to do so this game. I would argue that Maniac has done little to nothing, and I am wondering that, after being so obvious last game, he's intentionally toning it down. I would say he is an early scumread of mine. His post about y2k is basically meaningless and his UTT rating thing makes absolutely zero sense thus far. Maybe it will later. Otherwise, I would look at ND, uclabb, OB, and maybe Espi as lurkers, but not necessarily scummy ones.

Why do you think mafia is trying to get wjessop lynched? Personally, I wouldn't expect mafia to be working too closely together right now.

@ghug … sorry for being right.

Also, I fully support the vigilante shooting their top scumread (or whoever they want) during the day. I don't know how I feel about them killing the top wagon at a certain point before the day ends, though. Wagons give us some solid information.

@HR … if you're a townie and you're on the block, you should save yourself. You know you are a townie. Ergo, you should claim in order to save yourself. The real PR should be smarter than to out themselves. A claim is not something to go crazy over, it's just a claim. If the PR is dumb enough to immediately counter rather than wait for the right moment and effectively ignore claims, that's his fault.

As for policies, you don't have to agree. I just find the lurking ridiculous and I have been proven right time and time again that there is always lurking scum. Since lurking is, according to many, such a viable mafia strategy, I would like to prevent them from using it. Even if you don't vote with me, if there is enough pressure from enough people, they'll have to play.

@ND … I'll denote sarcasm by making fun of you for not getting sarcasm after I make a sarcastic comment.

@Balki … why are you praising damian? Your language when you read him seems elevated compared to others. Also, why are you giving out your 'day 1 MVP' exactly halfway through the day? It makes no sense. I can only see it as buddying. Why are you only reading based on activity rather than scumhunting?

@damian … what is even remotely good about Balki's post? He didn't post reads, he simply posted the same shit for everyone and then grouped them into two categories. He didn't make a single useful read. He didn't even go out of his way to label townread versus scumread.

Posting this having read through page 10. Reading further at some point tonight. For now, gonna ##VOTE SS. I am seriously bothered by the fact that he hasn't proposed something ridiculous yet. He doesn't seem like his townie self.
damian (675 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@Bo.
Yeah, I ended up rereading that particularly post after y2k pointed out the same thing, and found myself agreeing. I was reading scum-notscum into the categories despite being told explicitly not too.

He has done better since than, and actually posted some reads above.

At this point with people I'm unsure about I'm operating on intuition and I kinda feel like Balki might be town. Don't have much to back it up right now. I think he's trying more than a mafia member might. Particularly when it comes to making suggestions

Although the merit of some of his suggestions is questionable. Which is another reason I'm uncertain how to read him.
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I'm back, but I'm going to watch this DNC Presidential Debate and then I'll post my thoughts.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
commercial break to respond to bosox that i no longer think that mafia were trying to coordinate taking out wjessop. i made that tunneled conclusion based on an argument made against him that i didn't like. i reread damian and i think he sounds like helpful town upon further speculation. DO, i know i said i liked her posts made right before my damian read, but my town-read from that is far less than my town-read damian. I'll give DO some more opportunity to interact with the thread and i plan to reread her tomorrow morning, but again i'm gonna focus on finishing up this balki argument. i like other people chiming in about us, especially those that have been on the quieter side.
SaladinSmith (100 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@bo - Sorry, it's not me wanting to lie low this game. I just don't have any crazy ideas that have a chance of being accepted, so why bother? I still believe that we can't know who's scum on D1, but every idea I've come up with about that has already been shot down, and I'm starting to think that's a good thing. As I see it, it's best just to target lurkers on D1 and start with actual reads after EOD.
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I mean, have I really "scum-lurked" much more than you Bo? And what is scum lurking as opposed to regular lurking? Also, is your vote on SS just a means to push him or what? Because "crazy ideas" can be said about half the players in this game, i.e Maniac.

I also just can't really read SS, he always comes off as way too serious IMO. This happened last game too, pretty null for now. He doesn't seem much more logical or different this time around.

Yoyo is typical Yoyo again. Hates on lurkers and then spends most of his time lurking, classic. Don't blame you though, life is busy.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Hold up DO, how is "typical Yoyo" behavior hating on lurkers? Numerous arguments have said Yoyo is scum because this is not the case.

DO/Yoyo scumteam, anyone?
damian (675 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
If anyone wants to know how I played in Mafia 2. And feels like that would help them get a read on me. This: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1129589&page-thread=2#threadPager

Is the link to the thread.
So many people are making cases based on past history it seems unfair for mine to be so much effort to dig up. Anyway. I'm off for the next couple hours. Will probably be back briefly before I head to bed.

Hopefully we'll have a nice post from Yoyo to analyze by then. :)
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Lord what are you even saying DL
Maniac (189 D(B))
14 Oct 15 UTC
Could people refrain from stating if they will be on EOD. This info can't help town, but may help Mafia. I recall one instance when providing this info cost town the game.

@ghug - in Vig we trust. Encouraging them to shoot people based on what a likely Mafia influenced group think rather than their own reads, probably doesn't help.

@OB - I can see a downside to my UTT in that it can be manipulated by Mafia. I'm reconsidering it's open use.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@DO - you said that "Yoyo is typical Yoyo again. Hates on lurkers and then spends most of his time lurking, classic" but I don't see how typical Yoyo behavior is to hate on lurkers, especially since he's gotten pressure for being a LOT more anti-lurker than usual.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I don't really see how my first post was hard to understand.

@Maniac - "I recall one instance when providing this info cost town the game."

oops
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@DL - typical behaviour as in he's doing something ridiculous, not *specifically* the anti-lurking. For example, he got lynched day 1 in the game I subbed in for coming in randomly and randomly placing in a foolish vote and leaving. I merely commented on his behaviour.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
Oh, that clears it up.

Good night all.
Durga (3609 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
@Maniac what instance are you referring to? Unless it gives mafia a good idea. Because my midterm ends at 6:50 tomorrow :') unless I finish earlier. I guess I'll leave it ambiguous at that.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
14 Oct 15 UTC
ok balki, so your first town-reads were wjessop and damian. it kind of sounds like you suspected DO here, but were more suspicious of my weak argument against her with the "bus" term. you ask me questions that i say are leading, you say are making a point about something i'm trying to do. i come out strong scum-reading you due heavily to these leading questions. we'll get to the PR talk later, but now you say you don't know about DO when I pester you for your opinion. now i let up on you. you're silent now until a published "not afraid of scrutiny" list with a "useless" list, and you give me and damian mvp awards. i yell at you for not doing scum-reads and giving us a useless list of observations without expressing any town or scum reads. rereading this post, i agree with my earlier conclusion. you say you'll provide details closer to deadline. after some pushing you say i'm mafia. your reason seems to be my disdain for your disapproval of my case against DemonOverlord. my disdain wasn't for your disapproval of the case, it was why you didn't further question me on what potential better reasons there could be that DO was scum. i would have expected you to openly consider whether i was bussing DO or not. your post seemed to indicate that it could definitely be a possiblity, given suspicion you acknowledged on DO as well as what you were throwing at me. anyhow, you've scumread me. you come in later reconfirming your town-read of wjessop, so no development on a read there, but you're questioning damian your other town-read for scum-reading wjessop. bunch of random words for why you think wjessop is town, nothing substantive. you ask me why i'm not going after HR. you again reiterate to wjessop now that you think he is town but you don't agree with his reads, namely Damian. you say Damian is town because again a bunch of words, nothing substantive, and oh yea he's mvp. you try to get focus on me and balki. you say i'm mvp for wrong reasons, and i question you why. before you respond you post about the VT's fakeclaiming. can you remind me what you fakeclaimed in M12? here's the deal about VT's fakeclaiming. if one does it and saves himself from a mislynch and distracts the mafia, yes, it can be beneficial. but when you openly talk about it like a policy, you essentially validate mafia to do that and blanketly claim VT. someone who employs the VT claiming PR needs to be confident in what they are doing, not doing it from policy. then the policy helps mafia more than it helps town. Let's also talk about you wanting to track D1. Maniac said it well that tracking should be saved late, and he's right, because most of the mafia can't be tracked now. it seems fairly obvious that the best use of a track is late once other roles are revealed, mafia are narrowed down, and a track is as close to a scan as possible. ok now you seem surprised that i finally realize that you think i'm scum because i really did seriously not follow it. ultimately upon doing this reread it becomes clear that i'm your only legitimate scum-read that you care much about. you ask some fleeting questions to others but they never amount to anything. but now we finally have more reads! page 14, eureka! so my pestering produces "my biggest suspects are Toemato, Demon, Guak, and Espi, but i'm not feeling solid on any of them". questioned on espi, and it's more words and meta about how he's played. you fail to reference anything concrete from this game. then you laugh at me and you being buddied :).

alright, here's what my reread of balki has told me. he identified early that damian and wjessop were town-reads. later on, he reinforces this by trying to convince each other that they are both town. but the arguments are super flimsy with "he seems like this" wording. same deal in his Espi explanation now for why he's a suspect. scum balki has been buddying wjessop and damian, not town-reading them. i have a very strong scum-read on balki now.
guak (3381 D)
14 Oct 15 UTC
I find it hilarious that BB is accusing me of being the one who has posted the least when I have participated significantly more than others.

Why is that Balki? Because I think you are scum? Go shove your OMGUS where the light doesn't shine.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
28 Oct 15 UTC
CISA
http://uk.businessinsider.com/senate-passes-cisa-2015-10

What i like is the common ground between libertarian Rand Paul and liberal Bernie Sanders... Any opinions on this invasion of privacy?
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wjessop (100 DX)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Walking Dead Season 6
Discussion.
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BloodWolf99697 (100 D)
29 Oct 15 UTC
Fast Pace
Starting a live game if anyone wants to join
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diplomat61 (223 D)
28 Oct 15 UTC
Unlearn this hatred
Two more required for gameID=168991

Ancient, WTA, Anon, Hidden, 24hrs, 20 D, high RR
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BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
14 Oct 15 UTC
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No diversity in the Democrat party
Old white people debating who can spend more of your money, make government bigger, eat the rich and take your freedom.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
27 Oct 15 UTC
Power, Corruption & Lies / three more required
Classic, 20 D, WTA, Anon, Hidden votes, 24hr turns, 90% RR

You know you want to … gameID=169019
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Oct 15 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
Captainmeme has decided to step back from being a moderator due to other commitments. We'd like to thank him for all his service to the site over the months and years, and wish him luck for the future. I'm sure we'll see him in future mafia games still.

- The Mod Team
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
26 Oct 15 UTC
Richard Hucknall the Imposter!
See inside.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
Roll up, roll up
One more required for gameID=168912

Ancient, anon, PPSC, hidden votes, 24 hr turns, 20 D, 90% RR.
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
Need an English player, brand new game.
gameID=169009

Need an english player, first one didn't enter orders. Its not to far behind, only one or two round.
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diplomat61 (223 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
I'm not really from Guildford
One more required for gameID=168966

20 D, WTA, Anon, Hidden votes, 24hr turns, 90%RR
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noobi (23 DX)
26 Oct 15 UTC
game with frends-and you!
if you want to play with friends play here! the password is in the name. here's the ID#:
gameID=169060
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noobi (23 DX)
26 Oct 15 UTC
game with frends-and you!
if you want to play with friends play here! the password is in the name. here's the URL:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169060
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Middelfart (1196 D)
26 Oct 15 UTC
New France needed ASAP
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=169039&msgCountryID=0&rand=28875#chatboxanchor
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diplomat61 (223 D)
25 Oct 15 UTC
Only two more required ….
Classic, Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all, Hidden votes, 24 hour turns, 20 D bet.

gameID=168966
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Ogion (3882 D)
25 Oct 15 UTC
North coast south coast resolution bug?
So I may have found a bug or a gap in my knowledge

North coast Spain to MAO
mAO to south coast Spain ought to succeed? No?
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
21 Oct 15 UTC
New Italy needed
gameID=168341
No NMRs.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
22 Oct 15 UTC
Terrorist Attack in Sweden
A guy with a sword killed two and injured two in a school. (Who the heck uses a sword???)

Thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
24 Oct 15 UTC
password help
Boldness be my friend; arm me, Audacity!" password help pease
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Skulduggery57 (100 DX)
24 Oct 15 UTC
Which Provinces Are Occupied The Least/Most?
I was thinking about this the other day. Which province, spends, on average, the highest percentage of its time being occupied by a unit. Or being empty? Empty, I think we can all agree would be North Africa (?) although I'm open to suggestion. But what about second most empty?
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diplomat61 (223 D)
24 Oct 15 UTC
Something for everyone
Looking for a new game?
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
24 Oct 15 UTC
pass word
sned me pass word for game that starts in one hour
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Oct 15 UTC
Gameplay Analysis Requested
I would please like to request that people review my gameplay in my last game, in my opinion this is my strongest play to date.
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