Also - side note: Games that don't have role reveal on death typically have janitors and coroners. And you have to wait a day to find our their alignment/role.

Currently I am going to stick with voting Chaqa because a) I believe there is a fair chance he is part of the mafia and
b) If he isn't I believe that his loss would be overly detrimental to the village, after all "he has said some questionable things"
c) I agree with Jok3r on Thucy, he still has a lot to say that can help us

So apparently being anti-lynch is "saying questionable things". Good to know.

I think you all need to go back and read everything I've said. My stances have been the same from the beginning:
1. No lynch in day 1
2. Doctor protect himself at night
3. Suspicion of those who are too eager to lynch

##Vote Chaqa : (

@Krellin - Focused for sure. I make a lot of playful jabs. Please don't take them personal.

@y2k - Could you elaborate what points you disagreed with? I don't recall your posts in question where you did. Although, I can probably assume it's just about my theories of lynching Day 1. That's about all that's been discussed today really.

Thucy doesn't make "idle comments." He's a planner, and a strategist. I am certain enough that thucy is foul that I will offer myself up as an equal sacrifice (kill me first, then him, or kill him first, and then maybe you won't even have to kill me).

But at this point, if I'm right, and we find out thucy is foul, we get a lot of information based on who's speaking up for him right now.

Joker has, indeed, been at odds with him publicly, but he also by his own admission has sufficient experience in this game to know that if they're both mafia it's good to "disagree" early on to keep up appearances.

Killing thucy now reveals quite a bit. If he's a mafia, it casts suspicion on abge, joker, and y2k as potential next targets. If he's not a mafia, it shows YJ is an idiot and deserves to die, and helps to clear abge, joker, and y2k.

Is there any other death that will now give us more information *no matter how it turns out*?

Well, the deaths that would give the most information are likely Thucy, krellin, myself, Joker, or abgemacht, as we've all been very active.

yeah but nobody has spoken up in your defense, Chaqa, despite so many votes cast against you. Look how many chimed in all anti - thucykill within like 3 minutes and I'm the only person who's suggested he is foul.

Telling. Very telling.

Yes... you make a convincing argument.

Sorry Thucy, but they make a lot of sense. Why has so much gone toward me and not to you, when you've been much more vocal and openly against krellin et all.

#VOTE Thucy

YJ, you are making good points, killing Thucy would be a wealth of information. However, I am using the idea of risk reward. Chaqa has been supporting Thucy since the beginning, and may be working with him. Chaqa carries less risk if we are wrong as Thucy still has plenty of information in life, whereas Chaqa can provide more information in death as to what kind of person is on the side of no lynch. Though I am still of open mind to suggestions, as I really don't want to be wrong on who I pick.

Woops.

##VOTE Thucy

Also, and isn't this interesting:

abge, joker, and y2k had already formed a pro-lynching block (against 2WL/now me before I even got here and started yakking), and they are also all in favor of leaping to thucy's defense within 30 seconds.

Telling. VERY telling.

This vote will be close I believe,as I am on the fence in my mind currently.

@YJ

I'm not so sure about all that. I think the reasons for voting against 2nd were straight-forward enough for almost anyone to agree to.

What I'd like to know is why YJ is going out of his way to draw attention to himself to save Chaqa. Is it because you're both mafia?

@Vashta: Chaqa could have been just mistaken. We have to look for patterns and inconsistencies, and the only people who have displayed those are the ones I've mentioned.

It doesn't guarantee anything, but it's a place to start.

I believe our three best options are the ones who have votes for them: Thucy, Chaqa and Abgemacht. Thucy has been very vocal and defended by the pro-lynch block, Chaqa seems to be a vanilla pick to lynch, as I believe his death is neutral if wrong, and possible even neutral if I'm right. Abge has been the most sketchy of the pro-lynchers, and I also don't like the fact that he has put a Finger of Suspicion(learned that term from Fasces) on me earlier.

abge: it could be.

As I said before, I'm happy to die 1st round or kill chaqa first round if next round we target thucy. I'd say better to kill me then chaqa, because I know I'm vanilla, and he might be important.

Will thucy make the same deal?

"Abge has been the most sketchy of the pro-lynchers"

: (

Why so sad?

@YJ

I think we can agree that both Thucy and Chaqa are unlikely to be Mafia. So, yes, if Chaqa ends up being innocent, we can go for Thucy next (sorry, friend). I think it's a waste, but if it helps clear me, I won't stand in the way of it.

Look, I don't like being railroaded like this. So if the lynch Chaqa people find another suitable candidate, I will vote for them. As of now I'm voting Thucy. Let me know.

Well, this has been an interesting turn of events. Right now I'm with YJ in that the most telling choices would be Chaqa, Thucy, or YJ. He may be offering that "sacrificial" lynch idea as a ploy. I for one wouldn't say "kill me if I made a poor guess on day one," and I'm a townie playing to win. But the rise in defensiveness is certainly more telling than I think the debate on whether we should lynch was. Yet, I have the feeling that Thucy ISN'T mafia.

At the same time I don't feel like Chaqa is either, and his vote seems more like natural self defense, so I'm going to say we take YJ up on his offer of being lynched first and call his bluff. ##VOTE Yellowjacket

@theJoker, sorry if I was confusing, it was Thucy's points I disagree with, mainly surrounding the no-lynching.

@YJ, go ahead and kill off Thucy, I just don't think he's mafia, and clearly I'm not alone in thinking that.

I still feel like Abge is more likely a mafia than any of the current choices, but I'm willing to defer that until later as it seems things are finally coming to a head for day 1.

Yes, but remember, currently No lynch is still winning, even with Chaqa flip, they have 4, i think YJ and Chaqa are at 3. Even if YJ is at 4, Thucy's early vote means No lynch wins. So we need one more person.

Sorry, with abge Chaqa is at 4.

Well hang on there abge, I said I would be willing to kill chaqa first, not that it's the right play. The right play is to kill thucy first, and then we probably won't have to kill chaqa at all.

And why are you insisting it should be chaqa? I already told you I'm vanilla. If I'm offering myself instead, you should be taking that offer if you're a vanilla citizen.

No problem, if nobody does anything, chaqa, both you and I flip to "kill YJ."

Then YJ has 5 and that trumps the "no kill," right?