Well, I am unsure of how truthful Chaqa was being about having played, he was one of the first to sign up. Also while he has contributed, I believe he is not a big enough contributor, so his loss would not be a huge detriment if we are wrong.

Sorry, not having played.

Jok3r - I don't think inexperience can necessarily account for contradictory statements, if you believe such have been made. In fact, we yave no idea how much anyone has played - thus basing a vote on experience or lack of is questionable. And yes, that means some of my reasoning re: Chaqa's experience is not valid - none the less my vote stands, for the other reasons I have stated.

But I am of open mind to change my vote.

I think neither experience nor *volume* of contribution is necessarily a good basis for the lynch votes. But for now I'm going to stick with my vote on Abgemacht for now. I'm unconvinced that Chaqa is mafia, and I think the post count thing was useful for continuing the discussion since I'm lazy. I'm not exactly the most prolific poster, and I don't think targetting the lowest volume posters is the best way. In my experience of personal games, it's usually the mafia who does the most talking, often debating each other and making fake accusations at each other in order to divert suspicion.

So, I guess we should wait for Yellowjacket to find his way out of the labyrinth of posts and express his opinion on the situation.

Sorry, yes, I'm trying to parse may way througha viable strategy here. So far it looks too balanced to find an easy win.

All I can say so far is that I'm a vanilla townsfolk, and I'm willing to die to prove it :)

Maybe this was said already, but when someone is lynched or killed, is their role revealed?

I don't see why it would be.

It is. I confirmed this with PE.

roles are revealed as people are killed.

I am tentatively in favor of lynching somebody. I'd rather it wasn't me, but I understand the strategy so I accept the decision without complaint if that's the way we want to go... but let me keep thinking on strategy...

Oh, that's odd. Well, I guess that's good for us, so I shouldn't complain.

Honestly, I think most people were voting for you because it looked like you would be eliminated anyway.

Well, I don't have anything else to say at this point. I just request you guys don't waste votes to lynch me, as I'm a town member.

Beyond that, I still think no lynch is wisest.

To those who were voting to lynch 2WL, I politely request you change or pull your votes just in case. Yellowjacket shouldn't be penalized for 2WL's inactivity.

So abge, do you have an idea on who you want to kill now?

Well, we could go for one of the other quite-types. I still think being overly quite is suspicious. Plus, if it's just a shot in the dark, I'd rather have fun talkative people left alive. I do still believe we're compelled to pick someone, though.

*quiet

@Krellin - I didn't say his thoughts were contradictory. I just said they didn't make sense. There's been some comments he's made that definitely scream inexperience.

What seriously? A dead person's role is revealed? That takes a lot of fun out of the game, especially if interesting roles like cop or serial killer die early - no one can pretend to be them.

I would like to voice my protest of that rule - I've never played that way. It makes it too easy for us to win.

If however the rule will not be changed I guess I'd be more amenable to lynching.

I still think it's stupid though... Why would a corpse tell what a live person could not?

Jok3r - none the less, I felt, right or wrong, that he was directing hostility my way unnecessarily early on, and thus my stance remains. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't shake my feeling at this point. I am still open the change, but do not feel compelled at this time. We still have uncast votes - how they play out may impact my decision, especially if a late voting block arises....which I might find suspicious in and of itself.

I guess I need to chime in again. I was not "directing hostility unnecessarily". You were actively pushing to lynch one of the no-lynchers, which included myself at the time. I was also one of the two most vocal of the group, with Thucydides, making me, in my eyes, a higher profile target.

Because of this I was not friendly towards you. I thought we put this behind us about 6 pages back until my minor comment a few posts ago got you angry for no reason. Me saying "My view on krellin was defensive" somehow crossed a line for you, when I was just explaining what had happened from my view.

Vote to lynch me or not, I don't give a crap. As far as I know you could be a mafia member, and I'm not going to make judgement about it until I know better.

For what it's worth, the only thing I can say so far is that I find thucy's suggestions suspicious. He suggests that if the doctor is endangered, he declare he's the doctor to save himself. This is a terrible idea, because it's basically giving the 5 bad guys a get out of jail free card:

Whoever first declares "I'm the doctor!" when threatened is only 1/6 likely to be the doctor (assuming the mafias and serial killer would leap at the opportunity to say so). So our best bet is we kill him anyways. It's the best gamble we're going to find - but thucy would rather take the 66% chance that the first mafia guy who gets targetted will get a free pass, and a 33% chance that the mafia will identify either the doctor or serial killer even if that fails.

Pair that with his strong preference to NOT lynch on turn 1 (which seems to me to be the obvious correct choice for a villager)

Thucy is a sharp fellow, and he is surely aware of both of these contingencies.

##vote lynch Thucy unless somebody can tell me why I'm wrong.

Chaqa: "I thought we put this behind us about 6 pages back"

Silly Chaqa, you must be new here. Krellin never puts things in the past.

Also, keep in mind that if I'm wrong, no biggie, but if I'm right, it means you can be fairly sure I'm honest, because the mafia hasn't yet gotten a chance to discuss amongst themselves any sort of "sacrificial mafia" strategies. For me to be mafia I'd have to be acting alone in this suggestion, sacrificing a person I knew was an ally without even discussing it with him.

"Maybe this was said already, but when someone is lynched or killed, is their role revealed?"

Yes, it is. I didn't initially state that in the rules because it's standard operating procedure in every forum mafia community I've ever seen; I wasn't actually aware people played without it as standard practice! (I've seen variants where they do this, but rarely.)

Jok3r - please keep this game focused. I have repeated I have no reason to change my mind. Further, I was *not* the first vote for Chaqa. Lastly....YJ might jusr persuade me, as Thucy as well came out of the gates swinging and making contradictory statements. Either one is good swinging in the wind at this point, I think.

Krellin, you weren't the first because captainmeme made a vote, but he said he was open to changing it and hasn't yet returner. So his vote is about as serious as Rihanna's acting career.

YJ - I agree that Thucy does strike me suspicious but this is largely because we have such differing opinions on how to handle Day 1.

He does have a couple things going for him that make me not want to vote for him however.
1. He's an active contributor to the game. Lynching somebody willing to participate is almost always a mistake, unless they have severely slipped.

2. His willingness to keep arguing kept him near the center of attention. I don't really see a mafia member wanting to do that. I certainly wouldn't want to draw attention to myself if I was scum.

I'm interested to see what Thucy can provide tomorrow and going forward. If he's town, his willingness to be active will be indispensable. But, if he's scum, his frequent posting will eventually come full circle and he'll reveal himself. I don't think Thucy should be our target today.

Well, fine I guess it makes more sense to lynch now, knowing that, but I still don't know who we would lynch. Also I'm sort of tired and don't really follow your accusation against me YJ, what did I do wrong? The doctor thing was an idle comment, but yeah if the doctor were about to get lycnhed he better do whatever he can to get out of it for all our sakes, up to and including revealing his identity.

I agree with TheJoker, and while I disagree with a number of the points he's made, I'm not sensing a mafia vibe from Thucy at the moment.