I don't think having emails sent would help. I think most orders that are missed are missed due to apathy or quiting, not just forgetting to submit orders on time.

^What he said

Some of the people never logged on between when the game started and when orders were due, so I suspect they just didn't realized a game had started.

As you get to play better skilled opponents, this will happen less and less (or so I'm told). Just smile and nod where you are now, and remember in the long run it plays to the advantage of those who show up (if not this game, then maybe the next)

Yes, its possible. There is confusion among new players. Also some quit if they don't like the game. Just hang in there, and you will get into games with better players soon enough.

Not only did Yellowjacket beat me to the punch, he said what I wanted to much better than I did.

Hehe all of my games have been marred by CD's and missed turns. The first 2 in my favor, the last one totally screwed everything for me.

Sigh.

Do not join random games. Advertise a high quality game in the forum. Also, look at peoples resign rate in their profile before playing with them. You'll have a much better experience.

I tried that no one wanted to play :p

You're going to have CDs and idiots at the lower skill levels. There's a reason that these people only have 100 ... anybody who shows up to their games generally will net points over the long haul if they play at all competently... so don't sweat it, and take advantage of the free points for now.

I would like to welcome some of the newer players here, since I am not currently in any game (very soon dead in my last one)

so if newcomers are serious and engage here in the forum, we could start a game. I have yet to play with some of you new guys, who tend to be active a lot in here :)

I got a busy week coming, so I was thinking to start a game in a weeks time or so - let me know who of you are interested.

I, for one, have a policy that I won't cancel a game once it has started unless there's a need by one of the players. If people CD in the early stages of the game or at critical junctures (not merely when they're basically dead and are giving up), I will talk to the remaining players and eliminate the CD'd players and draw the game. I believe that if you CD a country (not merely NMR because these things can happen) that you don't deserve to have your points refunded and you should have the CD mark on your record as a resign. That's all a cancel does. It refunds your points without displaying that you resigned in a game.

Is there proper etiquette for canceling a game? For example, a recent game of mine featured an English CD. As France, I was fine with it, and it was helping me out a lot, but everyone else was screaming "Cancel! Attack France if he doesn't cancel!"

Granted, I'm all for a cancel if a CD is helping out an enemy :)

Hmmm... I wonder if we could change the behavior of cancel to *not* give anyone who CDs their money back. Of course, I also hate that the CD gets removed from the quitters record when another player takes over the nation.

Il play per

@2nd, yeah that's nice but I still vote cancel there. 1st turn NMR, into a CD really ruins the dynamic of the game for me. It takes away the feeling that you earned anything, instead it's more like it was given to you

there's no "etiquette" 2ndwhiteline, (despite what some "elite" players will tell you). You are under no obligation to draw or cancel if some jerkwad doesn't show up.

Now, if you do play in games with experienced players, they will form a draw alliance against you (as is only fair) so you're better off wiping the CD and calling a draw at that point. But in noobland? Screw it, take the easy money.

I like how you put it Yellowj. And yeah, I think it completely ruins the game, even if I'm the one that benefits.

@YJ - Sure there is an etiquette. Doesn't mean you have to abide by it. Eitquette doesn't mean an inviolate rule. It just eans an accepted norm. The accepted norm is there, you and others just choose (as is your right) to ignore it.

I like how Draugnar has to explain the definition and/or usage of etiquette to people. :)

Well, he said there was no etiquette, when clearly there is. He is just free to ignore it, as we all are.

There's a number of experienced players who feel that it all evens out eventually, so you might as well play out the CD games.

How can having the fun of the game ruinde balan ce out? Whether it be you got put at a disadvatage and felt abused, or you got an advatage and felt you didn't earn it, it still destroyed the fun of the game and that can never be balanced out by another CD, only made worse by one.

Hey, I don't advocate it, but some people say it.

"Etiquette" would say that it is wrong to tell someone you will do one thing and then do something completely opposite. It's called lying. And it's an integral part of this game.

Also, since this game is somewhat based off of the reality of RL diplomacy/war, think of it this way - does a battle fail to commence if one of the armies that was supposed to be there didn't get the orders to move? No. Wars are fought, won, and lost all the time on the basis of lapses in communication, mistaken orders, poor intelligence (or good intelligence), and any number of other reasons. Do you think we should go back to D-Day and inform the elite Panzer unit on the Channel that Hitler would really like them to join in with defending the beaches of Normandy from the Allied invasion? After all, "etiquette" would dictate that pretending that Patton was building up a huge invasion force when in actuality he was just a decoy is wrong. This is WAR. In a war, you take whatever advantages you can get and use them to their best advantage so you can win!

@ Per Olander - depending on when you set it for, I'd be interested. Newbie to the site but no CD's at all (yet!)

I've had several games where someone CD'd to another players advantage (and therefore my own disadvantage) and people did not cancel or draw. It still takes effort to defeat someone who CDs - there are games I've played where England or Turkey has CDd in the mid game and by the time everyone else had played to a draw, there was still one or two SCs left of those countries, even though they had resigned and no one had taken them over.