Pot users support terrorism. Fact.

Admittedly, yes.
But so do taxpayers technically speaking. But i'd rather not go down that road....

@Putin33 webDiplomacy usage supports capitalism. Fact.

But taxpayers don't have a choice in the matter. Dope smokers have choices they just don't care if they destroy lives and fund cartels.

Puts fair less of a strain on society then booze

Fuck weed. Legalize Murder.

Good thing you didn't make just one sentence of that, Putin, or related the two propositions in explicit ways. Otherwise, I would have to argue with you.
(and please don't tell me that buying pot = money in terrorists pockets, because that's just not "supporting", as the verb involves a propositional attitude, an intention to support, which is clearly lacking in most pot users. So please, no bullshit.)

Agree with DILK.

"@Putin33 webDiplomacy usage supports capitalism. Fact."

Eh? I've never purchased anything due to my being here. Capitalism is in it pretty deep if they're relying on webdip to boost consumer spending.

@Putin
If it was State run then we wouldn't have that issue, we'd just be supporting the terrorists on our side.
But now we're arguing legalization, which is EXACTLY what I'm trying to avoid

Maybe we can keep this on a smaller scale than it's political effects.

You don't use electricity to power your computer while you're on here? That produces money on the back of labor, you know. It's the same trickle down economics argument you're using, just a little more removed.

Most people use money to support causes they don't believe in. Don't cherrypick.

Cherry pick? It's hard to objectively support terrorism and cartels as much as buying drugs does.

Yea, this has gotten out of hand now.

What if I think terrorism is the only effective means of serious political action for a majority that is politically dispossessed and hope that one day I can climb the ladder from petty drug dealer to working member of said cartels?

Putin: if illegal drugs put money and power into the worst hands, then maybe it's high time we decriminalized them? Simple solution...

Sonofabitch....

Why must this forum always go political?
Why can't we ever just simply discuss the artistic or social worth of something?

I feel you Hugo. Normally I think this forum is a ridiculous troll fest and choose not to comment, but now I did, and now I somehow support terrorism.

It has no social worth, that's the point. You want a discussion where all the potheads sit around and say how great pot is?

Pot is a *far* superior drug to alcohol. First, it doesn't tend to make be violent, as alcohol does for some. Second, it is nearly impossible to overdoes on it. Third, you can grow it in your back yard, in a field, in your basement, etc....so you don't HAVE to support some multi-national corporation or drug cartel (and THAT is the biggest lie Putin is pushing, that pot must necessarily support terrorism. If it were legal, I would grow it in my backyard for personal use. duhhh!!!!) Third, it is a much better high than alcohol - mellow and pleasant for most, as opposed to varying and increasing degrees of dysfunctional with alcohol.

I recently watched a video "What if Cannabis Cured Cancer" (Google it...) and it makes strong arguments that cannabis has cancer-curing effects. Very interesting...

Anyone who disses the drug has never tried it, and is just another government zombie, sipping their government approved beer...

I do NOT smoke it now because it is illegal. If it were legal....you'd see the most mellow, pleasant krellin ever! lol

Ignore Putin. He's a hypocritical fool. His existence on this internet, using his corporately produced computer, using his corporate electricty....even though he does not HAVE to...goes against what he stands for. But...he would rather be self-indulgent than live by his word.

Putin...does BOOZE have social worth? Do the legal prescription drugs that people abuse have social worth? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to determine what has, or does not have, social worth, you fucking arrogant prick? <Sigh.....> Putin, the heavy-handed voice of oppressive government says pot has no social worth. I think PUTIN HAS NO SOCIAL WORTH!

We don't need to put people in jail for pot and have police waste their time on stoned teenagers when there are more serious crimes going on. Let the tobacco companies sell joints and put alcohol-like restrictions on it so you can't drive high or show up to work high and things would be a lot better. It would also mean the drug cartels would get loads less money since there's not longer the increased price due to the risk of selling an illegal product.

Philip Morris can do what Felipe Calderon hasn't been able to, and bring in tax money at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI

Most pot in Austalia is grown locally. You could say it supports organized crime I suppose, but not terrorism. Not here anyway.
Pot is fine in moderation. I think alcohol is much worse. Yes it seems to cause mental problems in a minority of users. But just about everything cases problems in a minority of users.
With regards to organzied crime or terrorism the solution would be to legalize it.

Invictus makes a really good point, we don't need to be wasting our resources hunting down some 17 y/o kid who wants to get high, eat Taco Bell and watch Monty Python.

I personally like the approach that some of my friends in law enforcement take which is: "Go ahead and smoke your joint in your backyard, I have a serial rapist that I'm a bit more concerned with."

Again:
"Supporting" is a verb that entails the intention to support, a propositional attitude.
Your argument, Putin, is not the one you're trying to make. Figure it out and we'll talk.

In the meantime, watch this great little piece by the Streets I just posted.

Does pot have social worth? Yes if you enjoy it and so long as it does not adversely affect your life. Some people find it helps them relax. Others find it helps them to be creative. Personally it just makes me sleepy. I haven't smoked in a long time though. I don't know anyone who sells it these days.

"Invictus makes a really good point, we don't need to be wasting our resources hunting down some 17 y/o kid who wants to get high, eat Taco Bell and watch Monty Python."

Good thing we don't. Look at any data on any state prison anywhere. We're not filling them with non-violent 17 year old potheads. That's a myth the potheads use to get people to support legalization. The people who are in prison for drugs are in prison for distributing large quantities of drugs and many of them are there due to past offenses or other violent offenses to boot.

Even if we're not putting them into jail, we're still wasting time and diverting recources trying to catch them and grind them through the legal system

With prisons overcrowded with non-violent drug offenders, obscene amounts of money flowing into drug cartels' and other organized crime's pockets, nearly as obscene amounts of money wasted by law enforcement on trying to combat the problem, and the all around social decay of our cities that comes from the easy money selling drugs gives to young people, we can't afford NOT to legalize at least marijuana. I have crazy ideas about legalizing everything, but one war at a time.

Drug abuse would still be a problem, of course. But without the stigma of illegality it would be thought of in a similar way as alcoholism. You know, as a social problem rather than a criminal one. If we could spend a tenth of the money funneled to the War on Drugs into rehab we'd do much more good than all the arrests and jail terms in improving people's lives.

Far superior to alcohol. Thank you for late night convenience stores.