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Troodonte (3379 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Meta-gaming?
About the leagues...

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WhiteSammy (132 D)
03 May 09 UTC
I Could Care Less
There is no reason for anyone to give a cold shoulder when playing a game of diplomacy....ever.

The board is always changing and you never know when things might start looking up or going south.
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Jacob (2466 D)
04 May 09 UTC
withdrawal
I've been suffering from diplomacy withdrawal...
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LeeArama (100 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Player's left for 2 weeks and the game is paused...
So how do we get him booted and the game started again?
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shaddi (152 D)
04 May 09 UTC
New fast-paced game
Just started a new game, 6hr turns. http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10574

See you there!
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TheWizard (5364 D(S))
04 May 09 UTC
Any takers?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10553
123 D's ppsc... 24h... 3 more needed
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pootercannon (326 D)
04 May 09 UTC
MOD: Small investigation, please
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10522
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Taelisan (127 D)
04 May 09 UTC
MOD: Wrong orders played out
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9960

In the previous Autumn turn all my units held. I had orders in and Finalized for all my units and they were not to hold. Than in the retreat/disband phase, the wrong unit disbanded. Please investigate.
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Captain Dave (113 D)
03 May 09 UTC
League D1
Who's in charge for starting the first game? And when is it likely to be started?
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aoe3rules (949 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Invictus vs. laurenceofarabia
You may now begin using this thread for your general-purpose rubbish debates. Better to be here than clogging a thread about banning DipperDon.

You know, we may just have our newest set of pointless forum debaters, who may someday join the ranks of such members as Sicarius/Pandora or diplomat1824/[everybody else].
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TheMasterGamer (3491 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Edi Birsan
I like you and all Edi. I even hope to have the chance to meet you some day. Old gamers should stick together. But Edi, you have your own Wiki? Now, how cool is that guys? ;-)
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OMGNSO (415 D)
01 May 09 UTC
Why didn't the real world turn out like a diplomacy game?
There are several differences between History and Diplomacy:
World war one only started in 1914, Dip games are usually won by then.
All neutrals are conquered in the game while in the War they stayed Neutral.
What factors caused this?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
03 May 09 UTC
Ghostmaker, League question:
What do we do if one player didn't join on time: Pause the game so he can take over CDItaly and still get 25 hours of diplomacy before the game starts OR draw the game and start a new one so everyone has a chance at any great power?
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NicholasPatrick (144 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Join Virginia!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10559
Pass: turtle
12 hours 5 points.
Come to have a good time!
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flashman (2274 D(G))
01 May 09 UTC
Have we finally reached Season Two for the Leagues?
I hope so...
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zjh47 (100 D)
04 May 09 UTC
new game low pot
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10560

join up
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trip (696 D(B))
27 Apr 09 UTC
the peanut gallery
please do not comment in this thread if you are not involved in the game.
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P.Ginsberg (125 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
A math question
Would the fraction 0/0 be equal to 0 because it has a 0 in the numerator, or would it be undefined because it has a 0 in the denominator?
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zuzak (100 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Or it could be 1, because x/x=1. But I'm pretty sure that it's undefined.
S.P.A.O. (655 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
yes, I'm pretty sure it's one. If you're talking about a limit, then I recommend Lopital's rule, to rework the problem.
P.Ginsberg (125 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
It can't be 1 because 0 in the numerator is the exception to x/x=1.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
28 Apr 09 UTC
Undefined of course!

Any finite number, including zero, over zero is undefined.

For example:

1 x 0 = 0
2 x 0 = 0
3 x 0 = 0
...
...
so moving the 0 to the right hand side,

0 / 0 = 1 = 2 = 3 = ...
which is undefined, as 1 obviously is not equal to 2 nor 3 nor anything else.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
28 Apr 09 UTC
omg, of course it's undefined
P.Ginsberg (125 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
I guess it would be a question over which rule has precedence.
Bazin (527 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

From wikipedia (above link): "These and other similar facts show that the expression 0/0 cannot be well-defined as a limit."
Onar (131 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
I always liked the idea that anything divided by Zero was infinity. And vice-versa.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
28 Apr 09 UTC
...except 0
alamothe (3367 D(B))
28 Apr 09 UTC
...and negative numver divided by 0 is negative infinity
Malleus (2719 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
0/0 is undefined, but the limit of the function y = x/x at x = 0 is 1. Now chew on that. ;)
Onar (131 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Because of the identity property? Aren't all numbers one in that function?

Besides, it obviously has point discontinuity, with the real value placed at infinity.
TheClark (831 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Found the answer!

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.divideby0.html

"There's a special word for stuff like this, where you could conceivably give it any number of values. That word is "indeterminate." It's not the same as undefined."

"It essentially means that if it pops up somewhere, you don't know what its value will be in your case. For instance, if you have the limit as x->0 of x/x and of 7x/x, the expression will have a value of 1 in the first case and 7 in the second case. Indeterminate."
Lynius (100 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Infinity is not a number. It is erroneous to state that any expression has a value of infinity.
Onar (131 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Fine, it has a value "approaching infinity" happy? For all intents and purposes of rhythm of speech, I claim it has a vlaue of infinity.
Invictus (240 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
Maybe I should start posting all my math assignments on here and having you people give me the answers. This last math class of my life has really straining my interest.
Onar (131 D)
28 Apr 09 UTC
I always liked mathematical theories.
S.P.A.O. (655 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Infinity certainly is not a number, but it's what makes calculus work. That makes it fun. As to my limits comment, I was assuming that he had two expressions that simplified, in the end to 0/0 with substitution.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Apr 09 UTC
0/0 is defined and indeterminable in mathematics, or at least it was 25 years ago when I was in college.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Apr 09 UTC
oops "as" not "and"
Onar (131 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Yeah, the one thing x/0 ISN"T is defined. right?
jbalcorn (429 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
x/0 is not Infinity. It's undefined. THat's different.
Onar (131 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
How is that different?
If you divide by infinity, you get zero, and vice-versa. Think about it from a logical perspective: If you divide something infinitley, you'll wind up with nothing.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Dude, that's just the way it is. Smarter people than you and I figured out the difference between infinity and being undefined.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Apr 09 UTC
x/0 is infinity (or semantically, approaches infinity) where as 0/0 is indeterminate because any number could be the result. 5*0=0 therefore 5 could equal 0/0. However, 100/0 = infinity there fore infinity * 0 could equal 100 (another indeterminate). This is Algebra 101, not even calculus.
aoe3rules (949 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Anything divided by infinity is zero; anything divided by zero is infinity.

The exceptions are ∞/∞ and 0/0, which are both 1.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Apr 09 UTC
0/0 is most certainly not 1!

Here's a nice little site I found that may shed some light on the subject:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55722.html
aoe3rules (949 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
abgemacht, I'm doing a math report on it right now, and I've got a book that explains it pretty well. See "Zero, the Biography of a Dangerous Idea", by Charles Seife.

I know 0/0 is not always 1, but it actually is in cases where you are algebraically dealing with imaginary numbers. It's really useful on the a+bi plane.
Sirither (100 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Would it be correct to assume that 0/0 does not necessarily equal the limit as x approaches 0 of x/x?
aoe3rules (949 D)
29 Apr 09 UTC
Yes.

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trim101 (363 D)
03 May 09 UTC
Aggresive thread
i hate you all :p
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BoG75 (6816 D)
03 May 09 UTC
DipperDon should be banned
Or at least brought to other people's attention what kind of a person he is. His personal insults and attacks like this...
"04:12 PM Fuck off and die."
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bh (898 D)
04 May 09 UTC
No retreat!
I find it frustrating when the game stalls waiting for someone to submit a retreat when their only option is to disband. Should this behavior be patched, or does it serve some useful purpose?
5 replies
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Geofram (130 D(B))
03 May 09 UTC
Civil Disorder Penalty
I think going CD in a game should lock you out from joining other games for a certain amount of time.
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Nasty Neil (100 D)
04 May 09 UTC
Join Public Game
Join Here - 3 spots remaining
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10554
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Stripy (2759 D)
03 May 09 UTC
The ethics of the 17-17 draw
It seems a lot of people think a 17-17 draw is a fair way to finish a game but while I've never been on the bad end of one it seems to me it's unfair on the other players. What do others think?
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hitchhiker (341 D)
03 May 09 UTC
Leagues
new to the leagues and curious is all, how many D leagues are there? and how does one find out which one or ones they are supposed to be in? currently im in a D4 league game...
9 replies
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gochisox24 (100 D)
03 May 09 UTC
World Domination-8
World Domination 8 is a one hour phase game with 25 bet. Also it starts within thirty mins
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Multi-gamers
Seems like there is an ass rash of them lately.
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azteca (520 D)
03 May 09 UTC
sign up incorrectly
Is there anyway of reversing a sign up to a game, i meant to look at the state of play before signing up? Idiot i know, any ideas. Cheers
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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 May 09 UTC
With the recent rash of multis...
...maybe it is time to change the penalty. I vote anyone caught and convicted of multi-ing have to pay a 6 month ban for the first offense and a permanent life sentence if caught a second time. Two strikes and your out, no third shot at it.
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smokybarnable (1141 D)
03 May 09 UTC
Site design
I love the way this site is constructed, except for one VERY big aspect. The "take over a country" and "show game" links should NOT be adjacent to each other, especially since there is no ability to cancel a country take-over when it is a mistake.

I would bet most of the tiresome CD takeovers that immediately result in a CD AGAIN from the new player, are the result of new folks accidentally hitting the "take over" when all they want to do is see what the game looks like.
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