Or support tearing down the corrupt system that you have. The US would function just fine without the federal government for a few years (as the shutdown showed) and having no president wouldn't actually harm anyone. The state governments could easily run things without interference.

Vote third party, protest peacefully, reject corrupt corporate influenced politics.
(And Yes, this isn't necessarily a saner option, but it is an option, and probably better than Trump)

Vote shield because a random guy from the Internet is probably our best choice at this point.

"president that we can trust"

"Or support tearing down the corrupt system that you have. The US would function just fine without the federal government for a few years (as the shutdown showed) and having no president wouldn't actually harm anyone. The state governments could easily run things without interference."

Wow, something from orathaic that I actually agree with!

Wow, something from leon1122 that I actually agree with!

^if that is true I am sad 4 you.

Holy shit there's agreement. and i agree with it. what's happening???

The shutdown almost caused a bunch of space missions to miss their launch windows, but I guess I'm the only one here who actually cares about that. Interesting that Robert Zubrin, staunch conservative, republican and space policy adviser to Newt Gingrich is voting for Hillary just to block Trump.

I'm more confused than sad.

It's because Trump is awful

Yes, that was it. That was the reason.

It looks like Trump may have a chance again.

I don't think he will make it four years if elected. He will find a way to get impeached.

"It's because Trump is awful"

It's because I believe in States' rights.

I think Tim Kaine and Mike Pence HAVE to be pretty pumped up about their chances of making the white house.

it's looking good: Trump probably won't win, but if he does he'll get impeached. Clinton probably will win, but she still might get impeached

overall good chances

"It's because I believe in States' rights."

unless it pertains to pot legalization, abortions, soda, tobbacco, alcohol, and pornography.

Oh but firearms are cool

@Leon, i believe democracy works better on smaller scale. And human haven't figured out how to organise in groups of 100s of millions yet.

So there is that...

Oops, I meant small government.

@LeonWalrus : i like science, and i like Space. And that sucks. But i don't think a short-term failure is likely to result in a long-term end to scientific progress - whereas other issue that a government might manage would be more vital... Like say if you had to make sure homeless people had shelter, or police kept people feeling safe... Or something like that.

@Leon, do you mean small as in representing a smaller group of people? (Which is what i'm looking at) - who could then decide they want 60% taxation and whatever they wanted it for, like universal health care... Or decide not to have that...

Or small as in, minimal governing?

Hiss, socialism

I'm sad this is my first election :(

in other news a company is set to release talking sex bots with warm genitals next year. You know where I will be.

Federal employees makeup a workforce larger than some entire industries. Every shutdown is a block on their pay that they won't be reimbursed for. When Congress defaults to a shutdown, it has a tremendous impact on the amount of meaningful work that can get done across the board. Projects run inefficiently when your employees have to suspend work for weeks at a time. When Republicans threaten a shutdown over government inefficiency, they yield a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Federal shutdowns will never save more in expenses when compared to the long-term reorganizing they require of our federal workforce.

Quick note:
Federal workforce may be large, but it's also shrinking. Government workforces are becoming more localized. The generational shift also has led to higher turnover rates because of reasons with Millennials and Gen Xers. A big contributor of federal shrinkage and the localized shift is the federal government's increased tendency to contract out jobs instead of using hired workers. There's also lower hire rates at the federal level because the merit system complicates things quite a bit, and some states have implemented at-will employment to deal with merit system disadvantages.

Okay that wasn't actually quick. I was just gonna say the first two sentences but never stopped typing.

Also government shutdowns especially in summer destroy the tourism industry, and make places like the beautiful National Parks dangerous, less rangers, less govt police force, and no ability to use facilities like campgrounds. Sometimes the government shutdowns cost taxpayers huge amounts of money because mudslides and other road problems happened during the sequestration and when workers returned they found mud had hardened, or roads had been damaged and they werent able to address the situation properly. One year a fucking geyser opened in the middle of a major road and because of budget cuts and govt short staffing, people were forced to drive hundreds of miles out of their way and entire vacations were ruined. We deserve to treat our parks better, and have the finest, most amazing places to go in the world. Yellowstone is incredible and it is an example of the government at its finest when we actually maintain it.

Clinton is a corrupt criminal. Anyone voting for her is not 'sane'. They are clearly 'insane'. Nice bait thread.

I guess were gonna have ALOT of prescriptions for Abilify come Nov. 9th then.