and bear in mind that inexplicably bizarre play is far more common than multis, even from folks who know better. Never underestimate the power of the tantrum!

:D

But you should report things you are suspicious of anyway even if you're not completely positive. It's not hard to check.

I want to report Bo as a multi, there's no other way to explain why I always lose

Yes, it's always amusing when Ogion emails us saying that he thinks two of us are the same person.

@CB
I'm pretty sure I can explain why you always lose, even if Bo isn't a multi.

I don't know. I can't fathom why in all my games all the players hate me off the bat.

Probably has something to do with smallpox.

Glad I can keep you amused, peter! It is pretty classic when I forget I know precisely who is playing and still get wondering. (I should have known it was Valis. I mean who else?) I think everyone is waiting for me to accuse myself of being a multi. From my other account, of course... ;)

To be fair, I've had a number of folks that I've wondered about get banned in later games, so sometimes those suspicions are well founded, even if they hide their tracks well enough the first time around.

It's easy to multi. Use your phone (never connect to your wifi) for one account and a different device connected to wifi for the other..... I mean that's how I would do it if I was going to do it.

And I'd still catch you because you're not as clever as you think you are.

Are there any cheaters out there that would like to explain to me, What they could possibly get from cheating in an Internet based game that you don't really know anyone (in the game)(no money won)? What's the motivation?

Lol, CB, that wouldn't work.

The same reason people go crazy for points, ssorenn. Same crazy reason...

why?, they have no value

You haven't been trading your points in for cash?

It's the newest "currency".... Bit points, that's one of Z*****s secrets..all the remnant bits of points get put together and re directed to his account...superior rank must have it's priveliges

Why wouldn't it? You only track the IPs don't you? So if I use two different devices on 2 different internet connections you couldn't track that. Not with confidence/

CB: our cheating detection is more sophisticated than that.

Oh Wiggy, your sooo Witty

We're quite a bit better than that.

Ssorenn: there's an amazing article about why people cheat in RPGs (which are essentially cooperative story telling sessions that nobody wins). I'll see if I can find it.

I am not in favour of seriously discussing the ways a person might cheat, and more importantly, the ways, and tools used to detect cheating on the forum. I have faith in the Almighty Mods, that they will do their collective best to stop cheats.

https://m.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/3nvrsw/here_is_jack_skellingtons_full_comprehensive/cvs6djy?context=3

Here it is. The main post describes how players cheat, and one of the top comments goes in to why. It's a fascinating read.

I think the majority of our cheaters are high school kids with too much time on their hands and no respect for site rules.

I think there are also one or two people who enjoy trying to one up the moderators- most of these are shut down with brute force (yes, we will repeatedly ban people who keep creating accounts), or get bored because of the way the system is designed (our cheating detection is intentionally inefficient so that users can't guess how we're detecting them, and also so that the patience of the moderators usually outlasts the trolls who want to keep coming back).

Those who have been around a long time will remember some of the more high profile cheaters that we've caught- I can't speculate on *their* motivations, but I do feel for people who feel the need to inflate their ratings in a bord game world with only a few thousand active users and no real prizes. That said, the moderators try to keep the site fair for everyone, which takes a lot of time and effort. I'm very grateful for their hard work.

Although there's more to our cheating detection than IP collection, we occasionally get people who say "well, I've read your source code and X would allow me to get past the cheating detection". I have two responses to those players:

1) We have cheating detection tools that are not in the source code. One of Jmo's major contributions to the site was to design and implement some tools and processes for better cheating detection. There's a reason that the moderators joke about Jmo being a robot- he single handedly caught more cheaters than any other moderator. We had to hire three mods to replace him.

2) of course it's possible to hide a multi account on webdip, even given those tools. What's much harder is using a multi to improve your performance in tournaments or to break the top ten in GR.

It's also amazing some of the abuse the team get when we ban people for repeatedly breaking the site rules despite warnings. And the lies are sometimes hilarious:

"Oh, I didn't know my friend was in that anonymous game until after it finished"
"Then why is your first message to him 'hey john, still good for what we talked about at school'?"

Etc

o_O

thx ATC, your assumptions on the age group are probably close to accurate. No MM, im not interested in talking about ways to cheat or how the Mod's detect them, and an older person on this site, i was merely asking a question.. The points are not an indication of your talent. Everyone only has themselves to account for, cheating to win, IS NOT WINNING

I get around this by not actually being in games.

If you were getting along with everyone and everyone was friendly in the beginning yet by the end of the game everyone hates you with passion that simply means...

You are doing something right ;D

i completely disagree. The best solos are the ones where half (or more) of the players are happy you got there.

That makes me feel positively plebian ATC,
I had to skulk off to VDiplomacy and play one player V one player games to get a few wins, life must be so different in the Olympian heights that you Almighty Mods inhabit.
I was thinking about my skit on the new currency "bit points"... and contemplating the exchange rate between bit points and byte points. Then I realised that our embryonic uber Capitalist, young Steephie will probably introduce the new quantum points ( value determined partly by spin, and even when you have them you are never certain as to where they really are on the time space continuum )
So I'm happy to announce that MMdotcomCorp is leading the way into this brave new world by introducing the all new "Higher dimensional points"
Basically trading works in the following way
MMdotcomCorp accepts transfers of old fuddy duddy four dimensional WebDiplomacy points in our current reality, and then MMdotcomCorp pays out our new Higher dimensional points in any multidimensional reality of five or more dimensions, up to a maximum of eight dimensional realities ( still working on negotiations with 9th & 10th dimensional Fiscal authorities )
Even better is the fact that customers don't have to bother reading all their contractual obligations, that stuff is all on display in a constantly changing much higher multidimensional reality zone
Transactions will be a simple "point and go" easy to use operation
I'm confident that with this paradigm shifting innovation MMdotcomCorp will outpoint all competitors

I know.it l sounds unreal, and in a way it is just that