4th of July is a very ironical holiday, considering that Americans are substantially less free today than they were under the rule of King George. I see little reason to celebrate it.

Bomb him, bomb him now. A nice cluster of Mk-84's sends a message.

@Tolstoy: Maybe, but we were freed from having British cuisine being an integral part of our culture, and that alone is worth celebrating.

This is what I posted on facebook to Mark the occasion:

"Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

-the Declaration of Independence

I'm American. Safety? Check. Happiness? Check. A government that gets altered by people? Check. People can argue and complain and try to change the government? Check.

That's cute lol

I'm assuming your white and/or not poor, do I have that right?

Thucy the racist stikes again. Why is this permitted?

lmao, why is what permitted? demanding justice? crucify me

I'm glad everything is working out for you, Deinodon. I hope your good fortune continues in this, the country with the largest per capita prison population on earth. I also hope no one you care about gets hit with an IRS audit and the resulting penalties (or worse) when they argue and complain too loudly.

And you're absolutely right about the government getting altered by people, I just wish everyone knew who they were.

Easy guys. He's obviously talking about his student government.

you are all bluster thucy, as usual.

"-the Declaration of Independence"

Ironically, it was only about a hundred years ago in the Land of the Free when you could literally be thrown in jail for reading the Declaration out loud.

"4th of July is a very ironical holiday, considering that Americans are substantially less free today than they were under the rule of King George. I see little reason to celebrate it."

Shows quite clearly that Tolstoy views are rich white males as the only "Americans" worth discussing.

Santa, your usual pathetic attempt to denigrate me requires some elucidation, as I have no idea what your argument is.

Um,

were black people in the united states freer in colonial times than now

That's a no

Were women freer?

That's a no

Were poor people under the thumb of the local elite families freer than now
when those families directly controlled the economy the courts and the police force

that's a no

So who is freer now than they were under King George you dunce?

Its debatable, but rich white property holders had a pretty good run at it until King George asked them to pay from the war they benefited from.

There, I elucidated.


Your "Americans," of course, are rich white men, but that's no surprise knowing your ideals and politics.

and again, I hardly think that bulldozing your usual whitewashed version of history is hardly "pathetic," I think instead your overall world view qualifies as pathetic.

Slavery wasn't even legal on English soil (as of 1772) when y'all held your little revolution. And it was abolished entirely across the British Empire (1834) *long* before y'all held your little civil war about it. So there's at least one population group that probably would have been significantly happier if the US had lost the revolutionary war (and a lot of them fought on the British side during the war, because they knew it, too).

Not that the British Empire is immune to historical criticism, either, mind you, they're not exactly known for being all round lovely to their colonies throughout history.

As long as we're talkin' all folksy laike, I'll be happy to educate you on your own history thorfi! Since you seem to be a student of history, you OF COURSE would concede to a feller like me that slavery was abolished on british soil in 1772 because, frankly, it was useless and unprofitable. But When we had our little revolution the slave trade was STILL centered in Liverpool, slaves were still taken in those ships to the sugar isles to work to death to make the British empire profitable. Slavery was the very backbone of the British empire in 1776, do you disagree? King George actively sanctioned and protected the institution in the colonies and sent troops to terrorize slave populations into cooperation of need be, do you disagree? And if the Americans lost, the slaves in North America would have continued in slavery to feed the slaves in the Caribbean long enough so they produced as much sugar as possible before they died in miserable tropical slavery, do you disagree?

But, like your ill informed post, is beside the point. Does anybody here actually disagree that black people in America are freer now than under king George? Anybody?

Who cares if we are better off now than under King George. What we should be asking ourselves is: are we living under a good government or a bad government?

Self perpetuating stereotypes sadly are a thing.

You're right, the man who sits in the White House has long since become a self-perpetuated stereotype of King George himself. The White House is no more than a palace

So work to change it. #BernieSanders2016

Seriously, he's the only one willing to talk about REAL change.

Actually, Thucy, I was talking about SC's comment on black people in America, now compared to then.

"You're right, the man who sits in the White House has long since become a self-perpetuated stereotype of King George himself. The White House is no more than a palace"

Thucy, you're delusional. Either that, or your rhetoric needs to be toned down because it sounds delusional.

Just gonna leave this here:

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2014/dec/07/diego-arene-morley/brown-u-student-leader-more-african-american-men-p/

(Obviously that is aggregate numbers, not percentages, but that still makes a telling point.)

Take All of your bullshit out of my thread, Fucktards. This was supposed to be happy.

Speaking as an Englishman, there is far more right about most Americans than not, as for your politicians; well, there are very few of any nationality worth their wage. Lord, I'd even think of living there if you brewed decent beer! *grins*