Silence? Really?

Do you want them to care?

y2k - normally, they are gushing and screaming about gun control and how evil guns are and blah blah blah telling everyone with a gun that they are the problem, and "just think of the kids..." blah blah blah ....that is, right up until Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga changes the news cycle and they spontaneously forget their feigned grief and outrage (and thus they never *actually* do anything about their cause de'jour...)

So I don't "want' them to care, but i truly don't believe many of them really do. I'm just shocked that they're so jaded they won't even spew the obligatory crap that comes after each shooting.

Then again, normally the media is hoping, hoping, hoping (and always wrong) that is was a right-wing extremist...and this guy has been labeled a Socialist so quickly...so maybe the "What, I didn't see that shooting story..." silence is predictable...

"krellin... a very blatant opportunist"

It wasn't a politically motivated shooting, why should the gunman's political beliefs matter?

I think krellin's point here is that people aren't making a big deal of the the shooter's political beliefs in this case, but when Gabby Giffords was shot it was assumed from the get-go by the media that the shooter was inspired by Tea Party rhetoric and a map Sarah Palin made with cross-hairs over competitive congressional districts. The reality was that he was just a crazy person, and what political beliefs he had were paranoid and vaguely left wing.

And it really is weird that this hasn't been a big story, even when we're around the anniversary of the Newtown massacre. I only heard about it here. The more cynical among us would think that's because the narrative of right wing gun nuts and how we need to further restrict the right to bear arms because of THEM is more important to the media that, you know, actually reporting things that happen.

"So I don't "want' them to care,"

There we go. Nothing to see here.

"The more cynical among us "

A clever way of suggesting you don't actually believe this, when in fact you do.

The political beliefs of the Giffords shooter and this Colorado shooter are completely irrelevant. Krellin just "stepped in it" by trying to deride the opportunistic politicization of the other shooting by... doing the exact same thing with this Colorado shooting. It's nonsense either way, and this time the nonsense is coming from Krellin.

It isn't the ideology driving them to madness... it's the madness driving them into ideology, murder, and whatever else.

In terms of shootings in the USA, 2 injuries and no innocent deaths is tiny. I suspect that this is why there's little media attention, rather than anything more nefarious.

Sure krellin stepped in opportunistically. But he's the only one doing it. One guy on some dumb website =/= virtually the entire American media making Giffords' shooter out to be inspired by the Tea Party when there was no evidence to support that idea.

I'm sure this guy committed this shooting because he's crazy, not because he's a socialist. But the difference in media coverage is obvious.

There was widespread use of violent rhetoric at the time. I know Invictus likes to hope and pray for collective amnesia. But some of us actually were paying attention when the Giffords shooting occurred.

But never pass up an opportunity to play the "conservatives are picked on by the media", meme.

More lies from Putin33. And long debunked ones at that.

There's widespread use of violent rhetoric all the time.

@Invictus

While the Giffords shooting may indeed not have been politically motivated, it is much more reasonable to suspect when the shooting is an assassination attempt rather than regular old atrocious mass murder, like a school shooting.

That being said I think we know enough about the Giffords shooting now to say it was not politically motivated, but I think it was more reasonable to suspect it at the time and ask questions about violent political rhetoric; indeed, it still is reasonable to ask those questions.

This shooting, however atrocious, is less clearly politically motivated for the fundamental difference that it was not an assassination attempt.

That being said, fuck off krellin. If you think I (as a member of your libtard caucus) didn't care about this story or follow it, then you're clearly a victim of your own bias against left-wing people.

However of course, since I can give as good as I get, I find your willingness to use a school shooting to gloat about some personal political conviction perhaps even more objectionable than the left-wingers' silence on the forum.

At least when many left-wingers heartlessly politicized Sandy Hook to push for gun legislation, it was for the express purpose of responding to the human tragedy of mass shooting. Your post betrays zero sympathy for the Arapahoe victims, making you fundamentally more disgusting than those insincere left-wing opportunists of last year.

TL;DR go fuck yourself, as usual

@Invictus, this story is sadly being ignored for two fundamental and cynical reasons:

1) The physical magnitude of violence is comparatively low for your average school shooting. Sad that there is now a robust average for school shooting causalities, but you know, that's 21st century America.

2) The American public's political energy for responding to and dealing with mass shootings and school shootings in particular has been judged to have waned by the media/government etc., true or not (it probably is true). This translates to the public being essentially accustomed to or willing to tolerate the status quo of a school shooting every few weeks. Which is sad, but the reality of the thing.

Haaa ha ha...*I'm* an opportunist? Haaa haaa ahahahah aha....good lord, all you dancing monkey's usually line up at the microphone upon the opportunity of every public shooting and make your calls for banning guns...until Miley Cyrus flashes you a nipple and you go off drooling in another direction...and *I'm* the opportunist.

Dance, monkey's Dance!

@Invictus - while I appreciate that you are the only one that get's it, trying to explain media hypocrisy to the SHEEP is a rather frustrating and fruitless endeavor.

If you convince them of the truth of this hypocrisy, thereby demonstrating that they are in fact mindless sheep and are being lied to fairly regularly, their heads will explode.

So the monkeys will stick their fingers in their ear and yell "la la la la la I can't hear you" very loudly and dance their dance.

Yes...I know I have called them both monkeys and sheep now...but they won't notice...that's how they roll.

I did learn something new today though - to a left-wing nutjob, shootings that don't result in death don't matter.

Check.

You yell at the monkeys when they line up at the microphone, you yell at the monkeys when they're silent. Your yelling is consequently less meaningful and more idiotic than the yelling of the monkeys.

You claim to highlight hypocrisy, but all you do is yell nonstop, and no one wants to parse through your loud bullshit to actually find value in it, even though it's usually there hidden among the angry crap.

y2k - yelling? Good lord, who has your panties in a bunch? Since you claim to not "parse through <my> bullshit" then you eally have no idea what I am saying, and apparently are just yelling for a sake of yelling.

Fucktard hypocrite... Dance monkey, dance.

Well I guess you have my panties in a bunch a bit because I've stupidly tried to read through most of your posts on this site and maybe 5% of your posts, if that, make me stop and actually think about something. The rest is yelling at people for their views and serves absolutely no purpose beyond that. You like trolling people with differing views than yourself way more than actually debating issues, as much as you claim to actually want to have sincere debates. That's pretty fucked up in my mind.

American's arguing about socialism and "left wing"! Jesus Christ! None of have even the vaguest concept of what might constitute socialism. You are beyond hope, Your increasingly rabid musings are beyond belief. From a European and therefore obviously a raving communist intent on the destruction of the "free world".

I personally think the debates on this forum and in the American political landscape are way too binary and don't even attempt to find solutions in the middle ground, which is where people actually have to do a little bit of thinking to come up with answers to problems that coincide with different life perspectives. Few people are smart enough to handle more than two sides to an issue unfortunately.

If there's one thing that doesn't exist here, it's solutions. These posts are cries in the wilderness. Nothing more.

Well maybe we should change that. I'd love the non-diplomacy discussions on this forum if they were smart and even-tempered and actually looked to solve problems. I don't post all that often but maybe I should start doing so. Mapu's thread earlier to poke fun at the usual template for forum threads got to me.

y2k - The irony is delicious, since the *only* posts I can ever recall from you is just you yelling at me...meaning that you contribute 0% of value to the forum. 0% < 5%, therefore I win.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dance+monkeys&FORM=VIRE5#view=detail&mid=DF01CE7CD91CF91E741FDF01CE7CD91CF91E741F

Actually, the American political system is designed for dead-lock and slow action, *not* compromise.

Compromise let Hitler take over much of Europe - it isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I'd rather have slow-moving, principled leaders than leaders that suck on their finger and stick it in the wind and vote according to the twitter trend...

" I'd love the non-diplomacy discussions on this forum if they were smart and even-tempered and actually looked to solve problems."

What policy maker looks here for what to do? A higher level and quality of debate is well and good, but don't start pretending anything that happens here matters.