I'd rather chew on a cigar or pipe stem. But then, I don't smoke them for the nicotine as I'm not addicted to the shit (one big neg, nicotine is highly addictive and bad for diabetic blood glucose).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1916666/

"Nicotine caused significant hyperglycaemia during and for about 1 h after infusion. Tissue release of glucose was occasionally observed following the infusion. "

"so why shouldn’t *everyone* smoke e-cigs?"

You mean, like, babies too?

@Draug - yes, it inhibits insulin, I think I read...not good for you.

And I've never had an addiction to cigarettes - always been able to take them or leave them (as opposed to alcohol, which strangles me like a two-bit whore after a crack pipe)

But for the average person, it seems nicotine is certainly no more dangerous than caffeine or most fo the shit we put in our bodies, has many effects, including as a mental stimulant, helps memory, fights on-set of alzheimer’s, etc. Pretty interesting drug *once separated* from the vile shit in tobacco. Plus, add some food additives to make a pleasant flavor…BAM! Start handing this shit our in schools with the shiny new iPads…

@2WL…if only I had another baby to exprement on. But, alas, my youngens are mid-teens. Might you have a baby we can play with?

I tried on of these a few weeks ago. I don't smoke besides cigars, and haven't done that for at least a year now, but the e-cigarette was pretty good. In a bar setting, though, it really looks very feminine so I don't know if this will catch on for everyone. Also, I don't know how effective it can be with quitting, since the girl who let me borrow it promptly went out to smoke a real one two more times that night.

But hey, maybe she's just the outlier. Far better that people get nicotine in a way that it's only the nicotine that harms their body than in a way that also has all that tar and chemical gunk harm their body too.

You heard it folks. Keeps your babies away. Krellin wants to "play with them". Eeeeewwww!

More shit on nicotine


Extracted from http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/nicotine-why-its-bad-you/

• Nicotine binds to an area of the brain known as the adrenal medulla, which increases the flow of adrenaline. This in turn causes increased blood pressure, heart rate and respiration, and these conditions exacerbate existing heart and blood pressure problems.

• Nicotine can contribute to sleep disorders. It stimulates the nervous system and when taken at nighttime it ensures that the user is alert and awake rather than deep in restorative sleep.

"Thoughts?"

You're an idiot for willingly putting a toxin in your body.

"You're an idiot for willingly putting a toxin in your body."

Have you ever had a glass of wine with a meal? Have you ever eaten trans fat? Almost everything is fine in moderation, and if you're addicted it's certainly better to just get one toxin in you rather than dozens.

Krellin is suggesting everyone *become* addicted, though, Invictus.

Nicotine addiction is not healthy. However, it is orders of magnitude less not healthy than the other shit in cigarettes. Probably not a great idea to start smoking, but if you already do, it's great to switch to ecigarettes.

From what I've seen, nicotine on its own (without the stuff that comes along with any kind of tobacco product) is no worse than caffeine. If that's really true, we should be dropping e-cigarettes out of hot air balloons to get people hooked on nicotine for its appetite-suppressing properties. You don't see many obese smokers, after all.

That's 99% a joke. Just so its clear.

No, Invictus, you need to do more research. Nicotine is far worse than cafienne. Read up on some of the links I provided.

And yes, the nicotine weight loss progrma... Good joke. :-)

Endorphines are a much better weight loss control system. Exercise before you eat and not only do yo burn the calories, but the endorphines kill the appetite.

In Invictus' defense, I know people who abuse caffeine worse than people who use nicotine. I once knew a guy who needs 4 Monsters every day just to function. I'm guessing he'll die of heart failure before he's 45.

Granted, Mr. 4-Monsters-every-day is no better than Mr. 2-packs-a-day, but Mr. Monsters is probably less healthy than Mr. e-cigarettes.

Monster only has 140mg of caffien per 16 oz can. And 8 oz cup of coffee has from 95 to 200 mg in just 8 oz. Coffee is *far* worse on the cafienne and energy drinks have various B vitamins that actually are good for you.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeine/AN01211

Invictus claiming caffeine is just as bad as nicotine has to be one of the dumber things ever stated on webdip.

" I'm guessing he'll die of heart failure before he's 45."

If only caffeine had any effect whatsoever on long-term heart health, which it doesn't.

@ Putin33: "Invictus claiming caffeine is just as bad as nicotine has to be one of the dumber things ever stated on webdip."

Oh come on. It's not even likely to make the top 100.

The cardiovascular effects of even occasional smoking are significant.

Well, it might if we took out Putin's dumb ass comments about computers in the other thread.

"Almost everything is fine in moderation, and if you're addicted it's certainly better to just get one toxin in you rather than dozens."
As a chemist, I can assure you: then you certainly don't want to smoke cigars :-)

Really red? I'm an avid cigar and pipe smoker. Are you just commenting on the saliva issue from the manufacturer? Cause premium cigars are pur tobacco leave grown without pesticides and aged (and slightly fermented) before being roilled in the cigar. Cigarettes have actual additives and are *far* worse than any cigar.

http://www.quitnow.gov.au/internet/quitnow/publishing.nsf/content/warnings-cigartoxic

@JMO - do you drink coffee or soda/pop? Drink alcohol? Do you eat boxed <anything> from the grocery store? Don't get all self-righteous about "putin toxins in my body".

I'm curious -- did you even *read* the information about nicotine? It is *hardly* a deadly drug in moderation when used in the absence of the toxins of cigarettes. I'm not talking about smoking tobacco - I'm talking about a pure nicotine delivery system.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/04/nicotine

@Draug - I read the cosmos link -- well, I read the very few bullet points associated with nicotine specifically, and ignored the "smoking" points - because "nicotine" =/= smoking.

I will refer you to my link in which many of the positive benefits of nicotine are discussed.

@Putin - I suspect you did not read/comprehend the link, but just posted due to the title. Why don't you summarize for us.

<...takes a calming puff from a e-cig, sits back and waits for the next round...>