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dirge (768 D(B))
28 Jul 13 UTC
new maps, new rule
I'm guessing there was probably already discussion about this that I didn't see, but I noticed on the two new maps new builds can go anywhere. In traditional rules you can only build on your start centers. I think the traditional rule provides a better balance in the game. Why was this changed on the new maps?
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loki008 (183 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
Looking for feedback and Tips on first gunboat game
I just finished my first gunboat game (as Greece) and would welcome feedback on the good, bad and the ugly. Figure this is the best way to learn

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=123103
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
New classic game
Classic, Full-press, Winner-takes-all,
Password-protected, 24h phases, 475 point entry fee, anonymous.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
28 Jul 13 UTC
Decline in the playerbase
I've noticed less players available for live games than this time last year. I didn't worry during the September slump, as I attributed that to kids going back to school. But it appears to me that the number continues to slide.
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Wizard_Of_Yendor (0 DX)
27 Jul 13 UTC
No Crookedness in the Dealing
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=123756

40 point buy-in, 2-day phases, full press, anonymous players, and WTA. Join up here and I'll send you the password.
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The Czech (39951 D(S))
28 Jul 13 UTC
Mods, please check your email
Thanks for all you do.
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
28 Jul 13 UTC
Looking for reliable players.
gameID=123770

Full press, anon, WTA, 3-day phases, 110 point buy-in. Reply in this thread for a password if you're interested. I have a handful of very reliable players listed in my profile, and I'm looking to find some more.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
Processing Reset
I've added 10 hours to all games and reset the processing. If you experience any problems with your games please post here or email [email protected].
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philcore (317 D(S))
23 Jul 13 UTC
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George zimmerman pulls family of 4 from a rolled SUV
http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2575217

Strange, the article makes no mention of the race of the occupants ... ? Surely this was a race motivated rescue, no?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
American Christians--Beware! THERE BE A WAR UPON THEE! (So Sayeth...Others)
A quick Wikipedia check puts the approximate number of Americans identifying as Christian at 70%; a Gallup poll in 2012 said 77%...let's say between 70-80%, with easily 85-90% of those in Congress Christian. States such as Texas STILL *REQUIRE* you to be Christian to run for governor. We support Intelligent Design more than any other Western nation, we argue against Evolution/Gay Rights/Atheism more than most Western nations...HOW is there a "War on Christianity," here, folks?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
And to address the comment which sparked this--Draugnar...

You said in a comment on the "men-new-second-class-citizens" thread relating to my quoting similar numbers to the ones cited in the thread description, that "numbers aren't everything," and asserted that a small group of people declared war on this nation with a terrorist action.

To begin with--what, to you, constitutes "a war?"

Because there's a great disparity between challenging the posting of statues of the Ten Commandments outside courthouses and, well, flying planes into towers and killing thousands of innocent people.

And I know you know that and that you weren't intending such a grossly-disproportionate comparison with your comment as that, so if you could clarify--

What counts as starting "a war" on something?

To move past that point until you define what you mean by "a war" on something, I'll simply ask the correlative question:

Who and what are the "targets" (if you will) of this "war," who and what is being attacked, why, and who and what do you perceive as the attackers?
Jack_Klein (897 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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“Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion... perhaps around their necks? And maybe -- dare I dream it? -- maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President. Or, perhaps, 43 of them. Consecutively.”
Jack_Klein (897 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Basically, when I hear somebody blather on about Christians being 'persecuted' in the US, I basically translate it into this:

"I'm unhappy because I'm no longer allowed to use the apparatus of government to impose my particular superstition on everybody in the country"

Like the man says... don't like gay marriage (for example)? Then don't get one, and shut the fuck up.

plsthxbai.
when people say christians/men/white are under attack in the west, what they really mean is that the system isn't super biased towards them any more, just casually biased.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Wow, Jon Stewart!

I had no idea you played WebDip! ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
@Socrates Dissatisfied:

These are the same people who read Kipling's "The White Man's Burden" and still take it to heart...

Ah, the White Man's Burden--civilizing the whole world and placing entire nations under the thumb of oil and tea companies as well as imposing Western religions by means of force...

It's a tough job, but hey! If we don't do it, who will?

I mean, it's almost like the British and French have figured out that this is a very, very bad idea...
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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What's funny to me is how secular most media, public organizations and academia are.

Is America really 70% Christian? If so you'd look on television and one of the Big Bang Theory guys should be a Christian, news programs should show the Christian perspective on important issues, the Super Man movie should feature a Christian sidekick or something.

Instead you find scant mention of faith-based issues in the news. Additionally, celebrities like Kirk Cameron or Chuck Norris are seen as eccentric for espousing religious beliefs. People lobby to have religious slogans removed from official statements (like the Pledge of Allegiance), from government buildings and from our currency.
"I mean, it's almost like the British and French have figured out that this is a very, very bad idea... "

You mean unprofitable. They make more money now than they did under the old system.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Well, "a very, very bad idea" for more than one reason, but still...
nudge (284 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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There is a War on Christianity in America because the sovereignty of the United States derives its basis from Christianity. Thus Christianity is the state religion, and other religions are of lesser value in your democracy.Opposition to Christianity and opposition to government are not mutually exclusive.

In a devoutly secular state, such as Australia, there is no war on Christianity because the sovereignty of that state has no religious basis, thereby treating all faiths equally. Thus secularism is the state religion, and other religions are of equal value in our democracy.Opposition to Christianity and opposition to government are mutually exclusive.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
"There is a War on Christianity in America because the sovereignty of the United States derives its basis from Christianity."

WRONG.

Secular Constitution, intentionally so, Wall of Separation Between Church and State, the Constitution NEVER ONCE mentions God, let alone Christianity...

"Thus Christianity is the state religion,"

...WE HAVE NO STATE RELIGION. AT ALL.

"and other religions are of lesser value in your democracy."

...No...just...just no.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Please, nudge...tell me you're trolling.

Please.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Anyone remembers that one day obiwanobiwan made a short, sensible post? I actually thought that was a turning point. Stupid me.
@obi. You've pretty much summed it all up, not really much to add to all you've said.

@al - there is a difference between being Christian and in your face Christian. It's a personal belief and most if not nearly all of my Christian friend refrain from over publicising their believes. Same goes for my friends of other beliefs. Lots you wouldn't know were Christian just by looking - and there's nothing wrong with that and that doesn't undermine their Christianity.
nudge (284 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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you are quite correct, the Constitution of The United States is secular. However, the founding document (the Declaration of Independence) references God more than once.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
^
1. It references a "Creator," and thus doesn't denote the Judeo-Christian God specifically, and as Jefferson was well-known to be a deist and not Christian (to be clear on the subject, as we've had a discussion on this before, he was quoted as saying both "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know" and, on the Bible and the Book of Revelations in particular, he thought they were "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams," so while he's not exactly anti-religion, he rejected quite a bit of the Bible, especially prophetic writings in the New Testament, and the extent to his backing Christianity at all pretty much boiled down to--for lack of a better way of putting it--a rather "Jewish" view, ie, "Jesus was a nice guy and maybe a profound thinker but not the messiah," which is pretty much a deal-breaker in terms of him being thought of as a Christian) he's likely not referring to a "Creator" in a Judeo-Christian sense but in a deist one, and

2. The Declaration of Independence is NOT our founding document. This is maybe a bit more contentious, as I suppose it depends on when you want to argue America as we know it "began" as a state and entity in a legalistic sense...

I'd argue that as the Declaration was just that, a declaration and more rhetoric and rationale for revolution than actually setting up the United States as a political entity (he does refer to them as "free and independent states," but NOT as UNITED States...that concept was still very much up in the air, whether the Thirteen Colonies would form a single new nation or a loose confederation of states or even stay together period, all of this of course dependent on their first winning a war and avoiding being hanged as traitors for their attempt to break away from the British Empire) and is NOT a document which founds the UNITED STATES of America so much as just dissolves the bond between the Thirteen Colonies and Great Britain while listing grievances and extolling some Enlightenment idealism to back it all up that, in fact, the Declaration is NOT our "founding document."

To put it another way--

The Declaration of Independence is more our cutting the cord than becoming a conscious entity in and of our own right; to be sure, the former has to occur before the latter can happen, but still, cutting the cord doesn't make you "you" as a person, that comes later in your foundational years of action, stimuli, learning and growing.

The Articles of Confederation could be cited as our first "founding document" in terms of our existing as a united political entity...but as it failed and was in time rejected...

I'd submit that the Constitution is our REAL founding document in a legal, political sense.

THAT'S where we become the United States of America rather than just The Thirteen Colonies Club, if you will.



And the Constitution goes out of its way to not only never mention God, but to ensure that no religious test or view is ever required to hold office.

(Which makes me wonder how Texas can legally require someone to be a Christian to run for governor...the 10th Amendment reserves power to the states, but that's power that isn't already clearly delineated to the federal government, and it'd seem as if that "no religious test" clause in the Constitution for the federal government would reserve that right to the federal government and cause it to override the state law...but I digress.)

So--

The Declaration mentions a "Creator" but NOT God...
Which is NOT a flimsy technicality given Jefferson's views on deism vs. Christianity...
The Declaration makes the colonies "independent states" but NOT a united political entity...
And it's the secular Constitution which DOES make is the United States of America an entity and create our government and society in a political and legal sense.

So I reject your comment all the way around, nudge. ;)
rojimy1123 (597 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Yes it does, but the Declaration of Independence, for all it's importance, is only a piece of prose. The Constitution is the basis of government, setting out the framework for how the US government is to operate. Hence why the authors chose not to invoke any religion within its sections and why they pointedly stated that there shall be no establishment of a state religion, so that all citizens have the right to worship freely whatever religion they choose.
Hereward77 (930 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Haaaaaaaaang on... you HAVE to be a Christian to run for governor of Texas? In 2013 in a purported liberal democracy? Wow.
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Um obi?

Why, exactly, did you come up with this thread?


Your Christian friend,

CA
krellin (80 DX)
19 Jul 13 UTC
It's part of Obi's War on Christianity.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Despite your interesting attempt at re-interpretation, Obi, the Declaration has been considered our Founding Document for many decades, and I think most Americans would heartily disagree with you. No less an American than Abraham Lincoln seemed to view it as the document which created our nation and expressed the ideas which define us.
dirge (768 D(B))
19 Jul 13 UTC
I don't worry about the Christian agenda. Because I know, very soon, ancient Chthulu will rise from his slumber. Your Christ will not save you. Your prophet will run in fear. Hindu temples will crumble before him. Jerusalem will be made a ruin of fire a blood. In its place will be made to be a great ziggurat of power. There men, women and children of all races and creeds will be brought before the Great One to fill his ancient hunger.
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Just a quick thought about the relative importance (as they relate to the birth of the country)

June 21st, 1783-New Hampshire ratifies the US Constitution and it becomes our Constitution.

Vs.

July fourth 1776 - the signing of the Declaration of Independence.


I think it's pretty much official that 1776 is considered the birth of our nation.
Huh, H.P. Lovecraft? He had some good stories, my favorite one out of that genre was "The Star Vampire" by Robert Bloch.

And

"There Be A War Upon Thee"?

Sounds more like 19th century whalers than 21st Century Christians, you know that right?
dirge (768 D(B))
19 Jul 13 UTC
Yeah, I kinda like Lovecraft's "dream cycle", besides weird dream lands, it features many many cats. I love cats.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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The declaration of independence isn't law. Its a nice document, but if the founders of the republic were such hardcore serious Christians, why is there literally no mention of god?(aside from a year reference)
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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Whose making an argument about Christianity here Jack? Certainly not me. (well aside from asserting that we don't go around saying "Here there be" and "a pox upon thee". And stuff like that). Obi was asserting that the birth of the nation was more closely associated with the ratification of the Constitution than the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Do you agree with him? I've given some reasons for not.
krellin (80 DX)
19 Jul 13 UTC
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War on Christanity...OK, here's the thing, any Christian that has actually *read* his Bible will understand that the idea of "war on your faith" is a GIVEN. Whether or not it exists in America is open to debate, but if you do not feel as if others are at war with your faith, then you should probably start a seriuos self-examination, becuase you are not living out your faith as the Bible instructs you to.

Romans discusses this, as well as other parts.

So really, if youare Christian, you should happy to see a war on your faith, becuase that is how it is supposed to be -- it means the "enemy" sees you, and is opposing you. If there is no war on Christianity, then it means Christianity is dead, or at least in hiding, which is a complete failure on the part of the Christian.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Well said, krellin.

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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
Need Replacement
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smoky (771 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
is there admin online ?
i want to talk with him becouse i see 2 player abusing!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jul 13 UTC
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Gays parents better for kids?
m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/3388498
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Jul 13 UTC
Obama Bans Students from Speech
Free speech...er....Free *LISTENING* apparently is dead in Obama world
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354434/college-republicans-denied-admittance-obama-speech-nathan-harden
OK, I *maybe* get not admitting Republicans...er, no I don't, he's EVERYONE'S President, is he not..but excluding those with "Patriotic" garb as security threats. Nice move, Hussein Obama. The Brotherhoods is proud...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Jul 13 UTC
Police Have No Duty to Protect You
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/zero_for_hero_5Aw3bMHF7vSPG7f27c0jOO

"Because “no direct promises of protection were made to Mr. Lozito,” the police had “no special duty” to protect him." ... from a psychotic spree killer using a deadly weapon? ........... Anyone else see the irony here?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
Obama's giving a speech on the Zimmerman thing
is he fully conscious? Is this really happening?
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krellin (80 DX)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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Obama(care) Destroying Middle Class
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/16/obamacare-benefits-mandate-could-further-phase-out/?page=all

read on...
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TBagJohn (243 D(B))
25 Jul 13 UTC
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Not Getting to 100 Points
I thought that if I finished a game and I was under 100 D, I'd be "moved" to 100 D.

I've finished a couple of games and still way down on the points - 44. Why is this?
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futurewolfie (100 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
Pausing?
We're attempting to Pause a game as one player is gone for the weekend. However, certain players haven't checked in yet and so they haven't voted pause. The player who is leaving has left, but already voted to pause.

My question is, if the game progresses to the next phase, will the "Pause" vote reset, or will all the Pause votes stay in place unless cancelled by the voting player? Can we finish up our orders to progress to the start of the next round and then vote "Pause"?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Jul 13 UTC
Detroit - WTF are you thinking
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/26/news/economy/detroit-bankruptcy-arena/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Build a $400,000,000+ arena while you are *bankrupt*! That's great economics. Good luck getting bailed out for that one in five years.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
26 Jul 13 UTC
BEACHES' JAZZ
Any chance for a mapleleaf sighting tonight?
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Hot Fuzz (159 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
A new player needed
Turkey has gone astray

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=123609&msgCountryID=0&rand=9617#chatboxanchor
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krellin (80 DX)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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Feds Demands PASSWORDS From Internet Companies
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/

Good read - timely and a scary future vision. Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" Give it a read and let me know what you think. It's the modern day Orwell's "1984" and should be required reading.
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Invictus (240 D)
21 Jul 13 UTC
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How that "psychic" really found the boy's body
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/the_new_best_case_for_psychics_did_intuitive_visions_locate_missing_boy/

Nothing supernatural at all. Obviously.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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Adolf Hitler was always nice to his dogs.
The race of his dogs was never considered, nor their religious beliefs.
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trip (696 D(B))
25 Jul 13 UTC
Lusthog Squad-6
Ready to resume tomorrow.
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Saviour Krolis (121 D(B))
25 Jul 13 UTC
Cheating
Mod, please check e-mail concerning cheating on live game ASAP. Thank you.
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Jul 13 UTC
When Cats Attack - Dateline France
"feral cats launched an attack on a young woman...dragging her to the ground and mauling her..." OH MY...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10201769/Warning-to-tourists-in-France-after-attack-by-feral-cats.html
* I guess this is one way to keep those pesky Americans out of France
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snowden007 (102 D)
25 Jul 13 UTC
What does it mean when there is a dash (-) next to a country name?
What does it mean when there is a dash (-) instead of an double exclaimation point (!!) or check next to a player before the next turn?
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Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
25 Jul 13 UTC
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Motion for a new phase length
When playing live games on maps America and Modern Europe, there is not enough time to move 20 or more units in 5 minutes. So, can there be a new phase length of 6 or 7 minutes?
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