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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Jul 13 UTC
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Fukushima Chief Masao Yoshida Dies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/09/masao-yoshida-dead_n_3565387.html

Can't say there's many that did braver things than what they did in that plant. Amazing in the least. RIP
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brainbomb (290 D)
28 Jun 13 UTC
Java Appalet version of diplomacy
I'm surprised given the popularity of live gunboat over the years that nobody has ever developed a live engine for it. Seems like constantly having to hit board buttons or refresh is outdated. This is not 2003. I also understand the difficulty in creating such a program.
Also seems like there should be a computer AI which takes over for CD countries and uses logic and math based forumula to make at least some semblence of moves.

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Invictus (240 D)
03 Jul 13 UTC
Looks like there's a coup going on in Egypt
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/03/19261466-supporters-of-egyptian-president-say-military-coup-is-underway?lite
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TAEHSAEN (0 DX)
08 Jul 13 UTC
Best Diplomacy Website
Hey guys, I was wondering what your most preferred Diplomacy website?
I am playing in playdiplomacyonline website as well but honestly I prefer this one more since it is more tactical and does not punish you for making wrong clicks.. What do you guys think?
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
09 Jul 13 UTC
Country draw
From what I understand, country draw is almost, but not quite, random. What calculation is used? It seems to me that this can be slightly problematic at times, especially when multiple games are started at the same time. The gunboat tournament where almost everybody drew 7g4c the first round seems logical suddenly.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
07 Jul 13 UTC
Subs for The Masters
2 subs needed for the Masters. I have two players who will be dropping out in one weeks time.
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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2 week's notice
Hi all, I am about to begin my career starting August and will e moving my family and wanted to give you all a fond farewell. I don't know if I will return to the webdiplomacy community or not, but in 2 weeks I will at least leave the site for a long time. It's been good getting to know many of you.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
08 Jul 13 UTC
Why David Cameron is such a tw*t !!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/23225645
This is why our Prime MInister is such a tw*t. He intends the tennis final at Wimbledon and is now convinced that Andy Murray is the most deserving person of a knighthood ...... what a pathetic idiot !!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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Idea for an improvement, click +1 if you like it.
Here's an idea for adding a new element to Diplomacy games: "The Treaty".
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
It works like this: beside your normal communication, you can sign a "treaty", that is recorded and revealed at the end of the game beside the moves: it changes nothing about the game mechanics. After a game, when you click "maps", all maps appear with all moves and all alliances made and broken during every turn.

The treaty can be
A) Non-Agression Pact (with / without bounce(s))
B) Alliance (with / without bounce(s))
C) Alliance (Against: E/F/I/G/A/T/R / Including: E/F/I/G/A/T/R)
D) All agreements unilaterally dissolved
E) All agreements bilaterally dissolved
F) Included moves pact
G) Excluded moves pact

Two players can simply click the options, followed by a set of suboptions. In case of A and B you're recording the existence of an alliance or NAP into the game history. In case of C two players agree to attack X and it is recorded (X cannot know directly, to him this agreement is only revealed at the end), or to add X to the agreement. D means you unilaterally dissolve an alliance and send a standard message about it to your former ally, E proposes the dissolution with a standard message, which is subsequently confirmed by the ally if he agrees.

If you click F or G, a menu appears that has all possible moves by all players in it. You click the moves you agree on and send it to the other player. He/She confirms. In case of F the moves you won't move are denoted, in case of G the moves you will move are denoted. Obviously the agreements are not binding, you still make your own moves and you're perfectly free to submit an entirely different set of moves and your allies and opponents won't know until the end of the game who stabbed whom.

At the end of the game, the "Alliance History" is revealed and depicted next to every map. So now, instead of just looking at moves, you can see in big strokes which agreements were signed and broken. It will make a lot of things easier: people who like to play on their phones can very easily send and confirm deals. Sitters can take a look at the last map, their personal alliance history, and see how best to continue the previous player's plan. Same when the game is taken back by the person who left, he can immediately tend to the most dramatic changes. New players can use it as study material.
The Czech (39951 D(S))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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And the point of this would be what?
erist (228 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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"At the end of the game, the "Alliance History" is revealed and depicted next to every map. So now, instead of just looking at moves, you can see in big strokes which agreements were signed and broken. It will make a lot of things easier: people who like to play on their phones can very easily send and confirm deals. Sitters can take a look at the last map, their personal alliance history, and see how best to continue the previous player's plan. Same when the game is taken back by the person who left, he can immediately tend to the most dramatic changes. New players can use it as study material."

Agree or disagree, but redhouse made the point of it fairly clear
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
everything becomes easier : take writing an EoG, you just scroll back and refresh your memory. you could devise software to calculate reliability scores (% executed moves that were previously agreed). you could do statistics with it.
The Czech (39951 D(S))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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I guess if someone wanted to come up with reliablity stats on keeping/breaking alliances and then use that in a new game it would be useful. Would it be meta gaming? And what if it's anon games? You find out after that oh yah, player X doesn't keep alliances if only I knew that. Seems like a lot of mental masterbation to me, be who am I to fail to see the practicallity of this wonderful new tool that you are going to write code for.
rollerfiend (0 DX)
04 Jul 13 UTC
this is pretty cool
Hazel-Rah (1262 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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DO NOT WANT!

You can make a pact or alliance, break it, and remake it all within one turn. I'd rather not have to deal with some virtual bureaucracy when making those on-the-fly decisions. It just seems like a lot more hassle and wasted motion.

Even more to the point, if I am playing country A off country B and manage to keep one of them (or even both if I'm a real genius) from figuring out what a lying bastard I am, I certainly don't want some button at the end of the game flashing just that in big neon letters. For me, the knowledge I might gain from such a feature is not worth what it would cost.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
Then don't ever use it! Nothing obliges you to use the tool, or to play in games in which the tool is activated.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@rf: yes.
Mr. Green (335 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
I think it's a cool idea, especially useful for people joining partway through. It wouldn't be in every game, just an option in some.
tendmote (100 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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I don't think it adds anything to the game to have a "source of truth" other than what's on the board. It's best to keep the facts as simple as they already are, so that guile and persuasion rule the day. NO CHANGE OR ADDITION WANT!
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
It'd be cool, but not necessary.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@tendmote: to the game, it adds very little, what I find much more interesting is to be able to watch annotated old games, see what players broadly speaking had in mind. I agree with Mr Green, it should be an option. Keep comments going.
Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Jul 13 UTC
Can I somehow -1 this stupid idea?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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No. Effectively -1ing on webdip involves presenting a coherent argument in a polite manner without referring to your opponent as "asshat" or "fucktard" when you're on the lose. I think it's safe to say that there is no viable option for you to -1 this thread.
Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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I just want to minus 1 the idea.

The thought that it would be optional doesn't improve things. If you are stuck playing in a game with it, you look untrustworthy if you choose not to use it and become an automatic target.
Octavious (2701 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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Assuming it is an option is it not likely to produce misleading information? I'm willing to bet that the sort of players who would be perfectly happy using such a system for others to look upon later would have fundamentally different styles to those who would never use it.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@Draug: the whole option itself would be optional :-) Just like you would choose between WTA and PPSC you choose between annotated and non-annotated games.
@Octavious: what if permanent anonymity was guaranteed for the anonymous ones? Names aren't revealed after the game. Recruiting would go through the mods.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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@Draug

Just +1 everything else on the site.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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I totally love the idea. And yet I totally wouldn't want it implemented.

In short: it sounds like fun, but diplomacy wouldn't be diplomacy if it weren't so incredibly unbelievably fluid. That's the charm. That's the challenge. That's the game.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@abge. +1. Would be the most dramatic -1 to Draugnar himself in the site history.
Octavious (2701 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@ Red

That would do a lot to solve the problem, but then you would lose the satisfaction of seeing who it was you've just beaten/ had your arse kicked by. I could sort of see it working if it was limited to a few showpiece events, but then you have the argument that it could just be easier (from an educating players point of view) to have a few high quality games with detailed EofGs put into an easy access archive somewhere on the site.

From the point of view of sitters taking over games, I would think that the sitter could get a pretty good idea of the state of play from the message records and whatever notes the leaving player has decided to make.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
The point is that these EoGs are often a j'accuse full of mud-slinging and personal stuff. It would be fascinating - to me - to have that element supplemented by the business-part of the game: the deals made and deals broken. Also, if I stab, it's always for a reason. I always find something. It's nothing to be necessarily ashamed of. If someone yells at you that you must do this and that, and then you say "sure", and you don't, there's little wrong with that in Diplomacy. You could annotate your stabs and tell people why you did exactly the contrary as the agreement stated. Would make a fascinating read.
Yonni (136 D(S))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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There are no treaties in diplomacy.
Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Jul 13 UTC
So the option is at the game level. Does that mean you *must* declare alliances and treaties and stuff on games where it is turned on? Who would actually play that game? Not me. And if games where the option was turned on, it was optional to use, that would encourage metagaming for those who opted not to officially declare their treaties. Still a bad idea.
tendmote (100 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
A "truth is revealed" moment is not in the spirit of the game. What you're suggesting takes away the ability to continue lying past the end of the game, and creates an incentive to be honest. That affects a player's reputation in a way that he can't influence (by lying even more.)
tendmote (100 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
In fact no way man, this is like those TV Texas-hold-em things where they show the players cards on camera even though they're hidden in the game. It gives away too much of the players strategy. The thinking behind the action should remain unknowable.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
@Draug, no it wouldn't. Meta-gaming refers to factors outside the game influencing in-game allying. As the games remain anonymous after they're finished it would all be "in the game", so to speak :-)
YadHoGrojaUL (330 D)
04 Jul 13 UTC
Can there be a "blank treaties" option for gunboat games?
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
04 Jul 13 UTC
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"your allies and opponents won't know until the end of the game who stabbed whom."

Its usually fairly clear when someone stabs...

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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
08 Jul 13 UTC
Practical advice thread
So my rich and snooty Aunt is coming to visit my house, and I've just noticed it has a rather powerful "animal" smell from my stupid cats.

Fellow pet owners, I intend to clean, but what do you guys do to make sure the air doesn't have that unpleasant pet smell?
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Kangaroo kid (0 DX)
04 Jul 13 UTC
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United States Of America Celebrates Independence Day.
Happy fourth of July to all Americans over the world, and a special thanks to everyone who has fought for our freedom. God bless you.
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TBagJohn (243 D(B))
08 Jul 13 UTC
Test Out Moves Software
Is there some software (or functionality with this web interface) that would allow me to input various scenarios to see what would happen - i.e., to do some "what if" inputs before I submit final orders?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Jul 13 UTC
Ridiculous Facts About Famous Folks Thread
The title...know something about a famous somebody that's so insane it can't be true...but it is?

Post it, and let us all behold what silly, silly people we hold up as the pinnacles of our species. :p
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tendmote (100 D(B))
08 Jul 13 UTC
Opinions on 2013 Ford Focus?
Anyone have any opinions on the latest Ford Focus, where "reasonable car at reasonable price" is considered "good"?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
08 Jul 13 UTC
Job Vacancy - as long as you can keep your head
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23215676
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
06 Jul 13 UTC
Meta-gaming and non-anon
Where is the line on this? It seems to me that were we all in the same room playing a board game, and then played the board game again you will automatically have predispositions about other players. It that wrong?
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
02 Jul 13 UTC
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EOG: Confederate Grand Ball #2
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Jul 13 UTC
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Soccer In Iran
This is what soccer in Iran is like. http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1492969/referee-beheaded-killing-player-brazil?cc=5901

Oh wait, that happened in Brazil.
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King Atom (100 D)
06 Jul 13 UTC
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It is Truly Sad...
...That you can't even go to a philharmonic without a majority of the songs being 'pop' oriented. On the other hand, I did get to see Miss America 2010 (who went to Massaponax High School, my school's second biggest rival) sing, however unprofessional she may be...
Perhaps I should have taken a more direct approach in starting this thread, but I wanted to get to the point that the concert was on the borderline between 'Amazing' and 'Disastrous.'
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ePICFAeYL (221 D)
06 Jul 13 UTC
Calvin Coolidge
I am not exactly sure who it is, but I know somebody in this forum is very obsessed with Mr. Coolidge.
I found this, and thought of whoever that person is.
http://onestophumour.com/picture-1974-best-comebacks-in-history-.html
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Hugo.Chaves (0 DX)
06 Jul 13 UTC
gameID=122589 Kmon Kmon Live Now
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
06 Jul 13 UTC
SIT A LIVE GAME FOR ME?
Starts in 5, something has come up. PM me if this is possible.
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Strauss (758 D)
29 Jun 13 UTC
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NSA, alleged naivety of European politicians, Obama...
It works everything surreally, but isn't a surprise either.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Jul 13 UTC
Draug Hates Nicholas Cage
Let's all punish him by playing in a no-moderators-needed invitational sponsored by the very amazing most awesome person around bo_sox48.
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Starside (10 DX)
06 Jul 13 UTC
Gamemaster - Please cancel game Bombs over Berlin
We are playing Bombs over Berlin. Turkey and Austria did not show for the first move. Please cancel the game so we can start with a full 7.
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Wizard_Of_Yendor (0 DX)
06 Jul 13 UTC
Could Use a Replacement for Europe
It's the first turn of a World game, and Europe got banned. Starting position, 1 day phases, small 10 point bet. gameID=121970
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Jul 13 UTC
Apple, Post-Jobs
Whether or not you like Apple products, you'd have a hard time arguing the Apple hasn't revolutionized the phone and computer industries over the last 5 years. Recently though, we've seen a lot of trends that are very unApple: products being released before they're ready (Maps) and seemingly random design changes. Is this the typically laziness that comes with being on top for too long, or is it a direct result of losing Jobs?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Jul 13 UTC
Students Know Best
Student loans are about to double, Congress - of course - doesn't give a fuck and does nothing about it. Now they are double. But hey, who cares about Congress, they suck. Let's make these people our leaders because these students in Portland have a *brilliant* idea...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/education/in-oregon-a-plan-to-eliminate-tuition-and-loans-at-state-colleges.html?_r=1&
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Jasbrum (100 D)
27 Jun 13 UTC
Joy Division
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHYOXyy1ToI
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
How does account sitting work?
How does account sitting work on this site? Do you mail the mods telling them when you're away and who you wish to sit you. Tell your password to that player, and that's it? Or is it more complicated than that.
I ask as I may need sitting in the near future, I'm going on holiday in a few weeks, and I don't wish to ask for a pause for over a weeks time.
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