Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[Lord of Words]

@everyone please DO NOT discuss Ham until he posts

We do not want to suggest anything to him

Fair. Probably too late but yeah I will refrain.

Thoughts on Bozo's voting?

Explanation for why you decided to vote Bozo EoD?

Bozo was clearly just spinning through potential Will bussers. A bit pointless and lazy.

I switched from bozo to Ham with 3 minutes to go (to see who might move where) but after 2 minutes nobody else had moved so I switched to bozo to see if he would switch to LoW.

It's curious neither LoW or bozo voted for each other.

I suspect they are both scum. If they are both scum then I think the third man is either Vecna, Balki, Bona or worcej in that order with the first 2 much more likely than the last 2.

I wasn't voting for Bozo because I thought, and still think, Sweet is scum, and voting for some I think is Town is fabulously counterproductive because nothing looks scummier than throwing someone you believe is Town under bus for self-preservation.

You wind up killing a townie, undermining town as whole, and guaranteeing no one trust you the rest of the game while winding up another Town casualty yourself.

[bozotheclown]

If you read the thread with VCA, you can explain Bozo's rapidfire votes. For some reason he decided to puncuate his list of potential D1 bussers by voting them.

Then he sits back and watches while under some danger.

Understandably, the last second gut punch from damo and worcej caught him by surprise.

But what I don't understand is why he didn't vote LoW or sweetandcool sooner.

Presumably, since he townread LoW he didn't want to vote him. But why not his scumread sweetandcool?

If bozo is Mafia, it makes sense he wouldn't want to vote his teammate sweetandcool.

But since I know I am town, I can't understand this behavior.

It kind of makes sense that Bozo is town, but I don't understand why Town Bozo wouldn't vote his scumread.

The best answer I came up with is that Bozo actually wanted to tie with his Teammate LoW. That actually does make some sense. But then why the late vote on LoW? Why attempt it? Maybe he didn't even see damo and worcej flip to him, and so he tried a last second vote for credit catching Mafia LoW?

I'm not exactly convinced, but it's the best I could come up with.

I didn't want you or LoW to be the DK. I still think it is possible you were bussing D1, but I think there are more likely bussers. I was OK voting for LoW if it was necessary to prevent me from being the DK, because even though I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, his conflicting answers about when he knew about foodcoats is concerning. It looked like it was not going to be necessary, but at the end I tried to vote to break the tie, but was too late.

I don't know why you think my voting would make it any more likely for there to be a tie.

Thanks.

Yeah, you didn't really have an opportunity to try to cause a tie, the tie just happened to fall in your lap.

I think you stayed off wagon so that you had the flexibility to cause a tie or even MK if you had the opportunity.

I still don't get why you preferred LoW or Bozo as the DK over sweetandcool.

Is this your normal strat when you are under pressure? I might have to check out some old games if I have the energy.

I did not prefer myself over you as the DK, but LoW always had more votes than you, so it was not as issue.

[sweetandcool]

Fair. Probably too late but yeah I will refrain.

Thoughts on Bozo's voting?

Explanation for why you decided to vote Bozo EoD?

Bozo was clearly just spinning through potential Will bussers. A bit pointless and lazy.

I switched from bozo to Ham with 3 minutes to go (to see who might move where) but after 2 minutes nobody else had moved so I switched to bozo to see if he would switch to LoW.

It's curious neither LoW or bozo voted for each other.

I suspect they are both scum. If they are both scum then I think the third man is either Vecna, Balki, Bona or worcej in that order with the first 2 much more likely than the last 2.

I think LoW was probably sticking with voting for a scum read, which is what I was doing.

I do agree with this. Either alignment it makes sense. And from a self preservation standpoint it was unclear whether it was better to switch to Bozo or stick to sweetandcool.

[damo666]

Fair. Probably too late but yeah I will refrain.

Thoughts on Bozo's voting?

Explanation for why you decided to vote Bozo EoD?

Bozo was clearly just spinning through potential Will bussers. A bit pointless and lazy.

I switched from bozo to Ham with 3 minutes to go (to see who might move where) but after 2 minutes nobody else had moved so I switched to bozo to see if he would switch to LoW.

It's curious neither LoW or bozo voted for each other.

I suspect they are both scum. If they are both scum then I think the third man is either Vecna, Balki, Bona or worcej in that order with the first 2 much more likely than the last 2.

I think LoW was probably sticking with voting for a scum read, which is what I was doing.

possible but also reads as an excuse not to vote a scummate also in trouble

[sweetandcool]

I didn't want you or LoW to be the DK. I still think it is possible you were bussing D1, but I think there are more likely bussers. I was OK voting for LoW if it was necessary to prevent me from being the DK, because even though I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, his conflicting answers about when he knew about foodcoats is concerning. It looked like it was not going to be necessary, but at the end I tried to vote to break the tie, but was too late.

I don't know why you think my voting would make it any more likely for there to be a tie.

Thanks.

Yeah, you didn't really have an opportunity to try to cause a tie, the tie just happened to fall in your lap.

I think you stayed off wagon so that you had the flexibility to cause a tie or even MK if you had the opportunity.

I still don't get why you preferred LoW or Bozo as the DK over sweetandcool.

Is this your normal strat when you are under pressure? I might have to check out some old games if I have the energy.

I did not prefer myself over you as the DK, but LoW always had more votes than you, so it was not as issue.

Well, I'll just have to do more analysis. I'm not convinced, but not locked in either.

Looking forward to hearing more from other people's thoughts. About this and the general game state.

[damo666]

I doubt I'll post again until Ham has spoken.

[bozotheclown]

It's curious neither LoW or bozo voted for each other.

bozo voted for LoW, but it just barely missed the cutoff.

I was 3 seconds late in breaking the tie that worcej caused, if anyone should be suspected of being mafia with LoW it should be worcej, but I think LoW is probably town, so I believe that worcej did not mean for the vote to be tied. That does not mean I think is town, though. I think he preferred to DK me because I was voting for him.

[bozotheclown]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

When Vecna posted this, only sweetandcool and Balki were voting for him, then worcej and Hamilton, the 2 other players Vecna suspected, voted for Vecna.

I think there is a good chance Vecna was right about at least worcej and Hamilton.

[bozotheclown]

worcej voting to hammer Hamilton is consistent with him knowing Hamilton is going to revealed as mafia.

[sweetandcool]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

When Vecna posted this, only sweetandcool and Balki were voting for him, then worcej and Hamilton, the 2 other players Vecna suspected, voted for Vecna.

I think there is a good chance Vecna was right about at least worcej and Hamilton.

Why do you think Vecna is Town?

[damo666]

worcej voting to hammer Hamilton is consistent with him knowing Hamilton is going to revealed as mafia.

but this also appears that you are trying to worcej mk'd if Ham is your teammate and you know he will flip mafia

[worcej]

Lastly, let the record show that while the tie was kind of worcej's fault, I don't really blame him and feel like it was more of an unfortunate accident. NAI

It wasn't kind of my fault - it was totally my fault :/

[sweetandcool]

Lastly, let the record show that while the tie was kind of worcej's fault, I don't really blame him and feel like it was more of an unfortunate accident. NAI

It wasn't kind of my fault - it was totally my fault :/

I assume you didn't see damo's vote.

So it was 5-3.

Attempting to vote Bozo with a minute left at that score is a bit strange as it meant you expected a 3 vote swing at the last second.

In that sense it is your fault. But then it is also damo's as well.

[Hamilton Brian]

Haven't read anything since last posted so this is a naked post.

Made a claim as the cop/clerk since D1. I was pretty blatant about it as far as I thought. Go look for the posts with CLERK starting each sentence line. I knew that if I was going to have small time to devote to the game in general, I thought I would make the play to at least be a night kill.

That obviously didn't happen.

I did wonder if ghug was lying about the roleblock. I see now he was, but I thought his falsifying of it was a more nefarious purpose.

Was it a shitty town play? I don't know. I know it was done with only the most honourable of intent; how it rolled out had minimal impact...I think.

There were some things that troubled me about EOD 2. Where I thought ghug was being less than genuine, it turns out that my wonderings now lean more into worcej and bozo.

Why did Worcej land his final vote on bozo, a player he interacted with minimally throughout D2?

Why was he feeding to mafia the plan to setup a miskill (if Brian makes it through N2...)?

Is Bunny suggesting they are miller to absolve a guilty scan? Are they mafia? I don't think there's a CC.

Bozo thinks worcej is a good vote but then drifts votes through the Bs and Worcej, insinuating they're one of the bussers. About only half the group followed through the "survey."

So, do with me what you will. Kill me today, and/or hammer me, then it gives mafia an easy one today.

My gambit failed; it didn't help town and I am REALLY GODDAMNED SORRY about that. I effed up.

[Hamilton Brian]

That's a shock, right? We were all expecting Hamilton Brian to be gone? (At least that's how I think that works.)

No. Ham was clearly panicking.

The question is whether he was panicking as Town or Mafia. I mildly lean towards Mafia but really am not sure.

If he is Town, Mafia just expects us to tear him to shreds today.

Not really panicing; I think I was more pissed off that it was called out since I had started "claiming" on Day 1. My hope was that only mafia would notice it but not say anything about it.

[Jamiet99uk]

I pretty much missed the last hour up to EoD as a friend came by to visit. So during the night's enforced silence, I read up on the events of that final hour - which was only five pages.

Things of note:

- LordofWords reappeared but STILL DID NOT ADDRESS MY QUESTIONS.

- BunnyGo briefly tried to get a Spartaculous wagon going.

- Sweetandcool kept pushing the LordofWords wagon and advocated for Vecna being his scum-mate.

- Ghug strongly townread Vecna and Sweet, and advocated for a Hamilton wagon.

- Bozo attempted to question LordofWords, as I had earlier attempted to do. LordofWords answered him, blaming lack of Bot familiarity for his failure to realise Foodcoats was dead. This did not satisfy Bozo (or me) and Bozo continued to press him.

- At 00:30, Spartaculous moved back from Rdr to LordOfWords, making it a 4/4 tie between Lord and Vecna.

- Seconds later, BunnyGo, Ghug, and Bozo all moved to Hamilton. Bozo's vote here is interesting because Hamilton was *not* in Bozo's list of three scum predictions on Page 83 (a predictions list that HE had asked for).

- Hamilton started softing that he was the Cop, with the following effects:
> Ghug immediately moved off him, onto Bozo.
> Damo asked Hamilton to reveal his N1 scan.
> BunnyGo said Hamilton's claim was bullshit, but also quickly moved from Hamilton to Bozo.
> Hamilton ignored the request to reveal his N1 scan.
> Damo moved from Vecna to Bozo.

- At this time, Bozo cast three votes in the space of one minute, for Bona, Bunny, then Worcej.

- Ghug, Worcej, and BunnyGo all speculated that Hamilton's claim was fake. BunnyGo however also said that Ghug's reaction to the claim was "scummy AF". I am not sure what Bunny meant by that, since his reaction was the same as Ghug's.

- Hamilton briefly voted Worcej with Bozo, but on the same page, moved to the LordofWords wagon (making it 5 Lord / 4 Bozo). The Vecna wagon has now evaporated. Hamilton also said "trust Bunny" at this time, possibly suggesting he inno scanned Bunny, but not very clearly.

- Worcej threatened to move his vote back to Hamilton, and then did so.

- Ghug and Damo shouted at Hamilton to reveal his scan. BunnyGo continued to scumread Ghug for this.

- Damo voted for Hamilton (putting the Lord wagon even further into the lead).

- BunnyGo then appeared to admit that his scumreading of Ghug was foolish ("it isn't your fault and I am [dumb]).

- LordofWords made a "good luck town" post, as if he felt he was about to die.

- Damo moved to Bozo.
- Worcej moved to Bozo.

The phase ended in a tie.

- Bozo attempted to vote Lord, but was too late.

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Obeservations:

The Vecna wagon totally dissolved in the final 11 minutes of the day.

Hamilton's claim looks very iffy.

[bozotheclown]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

When Vecna posted this, only sweetandcool and Balki were voting for him, then worcej and Hamilton, the 2 other players Vecna suspected, voted for Vecna.

I think there is a good chance Vecna was right about at least worcej and Hamilton.

Why do you think Vecna is Town?

Primarily because of the post I quoted. I don't think the mafia would be quick to town read LoW and Spartaculous for their long posts, regardless of their alignments, and my initial thought to both of their posts was also that they were likely town. Also, you, worcej, and Hamilton were in the pool of players I was suspecting, and I don't think you were the most obvious mis-kill candidates (except maybe Hamilton).

[Hamilton Brian]

And when I said "Trust Bunny," I kind of do...so it was my way of making a very ambivalent scan "claim" without caliming. I have no idea if Bunny is clean or not, unfortunately.

[damo666]

Cannot access the mafiabot on the work system. I manage Dip though. :)
Left thinking that I almost forgot the 4pm EST deadline. Nice for a change.
Everyone doing ok?
Remember it's just a game.
Keeping bees is a desire of mine, probably post-retirement. And a small backyard, with dogs.

Can't see Ham doing this as D1. Ham townclear.

Presumably scum thought he'd be an easy mk so didn't bother with the NK (or simply didn't believe Ham).

[Spartaculous]

Ham - I have a question for you. When you post here, do you tend to do so more from a smartphone or from a computer?