M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

You're allowed to scumread as much as you want to I guess, but I don't know if it's fair to dismiss other people's arguments for me being town just because you don't agree with them. It's getting to be pretty frustrating to watch.

At the very least, kgray wasn't the only one to read my D3 that way. Unfortunately a lot of other other people are dead now. I know a fair number of dead people also didn't read it that way, so I'm not claiming to be clear from it. It's just that you're feeling unreasonably antagonistic.

I like how both of you jumped on me for dismissing her argument in the exact way she dismissed mine...

My intent isn't to antagonize you, so I'm sorry if it's coming off that way. My intent is to be forceful with my questioning of you, and to banter with kgray, because I enjoy talking to myself. My chief frustration right now is that you keep talking about how you're going to look into things and then not doing so in favor of defending yourself. I don't think wanting to focus on defending yourself is inherently scummy, but I also think not solving actively harms town, which eventually does make you scummy.

That's all fair. I don't think you're doing anything offensive. It's just been frustrating to watch all this energy going into investigating me when I was at the top of the townclear lists of a lot of players on D5.

I'm going to stop promising to look into things because I'm honestly getting burned out. There's a reasonable chance I still will, but we'll see. (on a side note, promising too much and then not following through has been something I've been working on professionally as well)

If you don't want to go out and retreat, just spit some thoughts out based on what you already know. It's OK to be wrong (unless you're Flum).

[bozotheclown]

Of course I’m worried about self preservation. Any town member in my position would be. It’s true I don’t have any leads on the last scum but also I’ve been on my phone all morning and it’s much harder to look back on post history with that.

Do you still town read Bonatogether for the reasons you gave D6?

What were my D6 reasons? I think the argument I gave for not really scumreading bona was it would have been too weird to me to see no overlap in scum voting for days 1 and 2. It's possible I said townreading, but I don't remember. I also don't think it's a super strong argument, especially because I don't know anything about the meta.

Here you were asking me what your reasons were for town reading Bonatogether D6, implying that you didn't remember (even though that sequence started with the post where you gave your reasons), but you started that post with: "I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I also don’t feel good about voting for either maniac or Bona."

Why did you forget something that you thought a lot about?

[Chaqa]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

[ghug]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

I started the damo wagon and only left it to start a second wagon once it was viable.

Bozo and aaro are not remotely on the same level either.

[Hellenic Riot]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

Bona did ask for someone else to cc priest to stop me getting 'whacked', so I hope one of you is ready to step up to the plate

[ghug]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

Bona did ask for someone else to cc priest to stop me getting 'whacked', so I hope one of you is ready to step up to the plate

Why doesn't anybody listen to me?

[aarodactyl]

I like how both of you jumped on me for dismissing her argument in the exact way she dismissed mine...

My intent isn't to antagonize you, so I'm sorry if it's coming off that way. My intent is to be forceful with my questioning of you, and to banter with kgray, because I enjoy talking to myself. My chief frustration right now is that you keep talking about how you're going to look into things and then not doing so in favor of defending yourself. I don't think wanting to focus on defending yourself is inherently scummy, but I also think not solving actively harms town, which eventually does make you scummy.

That's all fair. I don't think you're doing anything offensive. It's just been frustrating to watch all this energy going into investigating me when I was at the top of the townclear lists of a lot of players on D5.

I'm going to stop promising to look into things because I'm honestly getting burned out. There's a reasonable chance I still will, but we'll see. (on a side note, promising too much and then not following through has been something I've been working on professionally as well)

If you don't want to go out and retreat, just spit some thoughts out based on what you already know. It's OK to be wrong (unless you're Flum).

I hate being wrong, but here I got. I'm sorry in advance to bozo is these reads don't line up to what I've said in the past. My opinion of people changes a lot and it's not going to necessarily to be the same as past posts.

• Kgray: seems like they're trying to solve the game, but maybe they're just very good scum. I enjoy how they're defending me though.
• Ghug: see kgray's entry but change the last sentence to "I don't like how they're attacking me though."
• flum: I've had a hard time getting a read on them, but apparently that's standard? If they're the last scum, I'd like some credit for being the first person in the game to vote for them.
• Bozo: I really don't like the tunneling, but I think they're town. I'm disappointed we didn't do more with the aggregate list from a few days ago. It might be worth to look back at that.
• HR: priest
• celaph: they're clear from their EOD post when it looked they were going to be killed? Besides that, I'd think they're were potentially scum based on how little I feel like they've been posting.
• Chaqa: my gut doesn't like how chaqa has been playing this game, but that doesn't mean they're scum. I don't like that they just didn't answer the jailer question (I think someone brought this up recently, but I haven't fact checked this) especially because the last scum is probably smuggler. I'm looking back and I don't think they made a list for bozo's thing either. Also when I was looking back, it looks like Durga noted a weird exchange between bunny and chaqa and seemed like the exchange that bunny did with jamie. Thinking about it, I think people should reread chaqa.

[aarodactyl]

Do you still town read Bonatogether for the reasons you gave D6?

What were my D6 reasons? I think the argument I gave for not really scumreading bona was it would have been too weird to me to see no overlap in scum voting for days 1 and 2. It's possible I said townreading, but I don't remember. I also don't think it's a super strong argument, especially because I don't know anything about the meta.

Here you were asking me what your reasons were for town reading Bonatogether D6, implying that you didn't remember (even though that sequence started with the post where you gave your reasons), but you started that post with: "I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I also don’t feel good about voting for either maniac or Bona."

Why did you forget something that you thought a lot about?

There is so much going on in this game. Also I've been exhausted a lot recently for medical reasons and I wouldn't be surprised if I forgot about something.

[aarodactyl]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

sounds like I should update the vote records post. One second

[Chaqa]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

Bona did ask for someone else to cc priest to stop me getting 'whacked', so I hope one of you is ready to step up to the plate

Guys I'm totally the Priest.

I even have the fancy hat and everything!

/s

[Fluminator]

Day 5 is really confusing to me now, unless there's another Priest claimant out there and HR is scum, then there was a bus on Damo, but was it a big bus by like Bozo or Aero or a small bus like ghug?

I'm going over it, and scum ghug switching his vote last second is just not something I see him doing. He and Tom switched at almost the exact time.
He's done last minute switches as scum before but that was town vs. town.
Like maybe he did it to town himself up, but the whole thing and the theatrics seem unnecessary and much more unlikely.

[Fluminator]

Kgray can you tell me why you think bozo is town? Is it mostly meta?

[Fluminator]

Also Chaqa, what do you think about Bona's final post about you? Do you think you're playing your town meta or scum meta right now?

[aarodactyl]

Votes Day 1
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ND (7): ghug, Durga, aarodactyl, Jamiet99uk, brainbomb, kgray, Hamilton Brian
teacon7 (6): Fluminator, BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, VashtaNeurotic, Chaqa, Balki Bartokomous
Maniac (4): rdrivera2005, celaph, ND, damo666
ghug (2): Nephthys, worcej
Jamiet99uk (2): bozotheclown, teacon7
Fluminator (1): Bonatogether
bozotheclown (1): Yoyoyozo
Nephthys (1): Vecna
damo666 (1): e.m.c^42
Durga (1): Maniac

Votes Day 2
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brainbomb (9): ghug, Hellenic Riot, kgray, Durga, Fluminator, Jamiet99uk, Vecna, Hamilton Brian, Maniac
Hamilton Brian (8): Nephthys, Balki Bartokomous, celaph, Chaqa, aarodactyl, brainbomb, bozotheclown, e.m.c^42
kgray (3): worcej, VashtaNeurotic, damo666
Unvote (1): Bonatogether
worcej (1): Yoyoyozo
Balki Bartokomous (1): BunnyGo

D3 and D4 omitted since both were on confirmed scum

Votes Day 5
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damo666 (8): bozotheclown, kgray, aarodactyl, celaph, Chaqa, Fluminator, Tom Bombadil, ghug
celaph (5): Bonatogether, Hellenic Riot, Balki Bartokomous, damo666, Maniac

Votes Day 6
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Maniac (8): Balki Bartokomous, celaph, Hellenic Riot, Bonatogether, aarodactyl, ghug, kgray, bozotheclown
Bonatogether (4): Fluminator, Chaqa, Tom Bombadil, Maniac

Votes Day 7
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Bonatogether (6): Chaqa, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot, aarodactyl, celaph, kgray
aarodactyl (2): ghug, bozotheclown
Chaqa (1): Bonatogether

[Chaqa]

Also Chaqa, what do you think about Bona's final post about you? Do you think you're playing your town meta or scum meta right now?

I'll be honest, I have no clue what Bona is talking about.

I don't feel I actually have a meta. People say things about me but it's never true.

[ghug]

I think some very smart handsome person who was me said several days ago that the lack of late scum on the ND wagon suggests that either kgray is scum or there were already two there, which fits nicely into my current tunnel.

[aarodactyl]

I think some very smart handsome person who was me said several days ago that the lack of late scum on the ND wagon suggests that either kgray is scum or there were already two there, which fits nicely into my current tunnel.

I'm pretty sure you said that said that as the start of the current tunnel but I could be wrong.

[aarodactyl]

I think some very smart handsome person who was me said several days ago that the lack of late scum on the ND wagon suggests that either kgray is scum or there were already two there, which fits nicely into my current tunnel.

I'm pretty sure you said that said that as the start of the current tunnel but I could be wrong.

[aarodactyl]

Oh no. I double posted.

[Chaqa]

Oh no. I double posted.

VOTE HIM OUT