MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[peterlund]

The main charge is being in the group that cannot clear themselves.

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

I just saw a message from Kitsune, but no GM confirmation of your role yet.

[xorxes]

I must've miscounted. I thought there were 12 claims, not 11. So, slightly better than I was worrying.

And xorxes, until Kit posts, we don't *know* you're town. I'll take my vote off you as soon as that happens

You know what I mean. You don't really believe I would claim Captain as scum.

[xorxes]

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

I just saw a message from Kitsune, but no GM confirmation of your role yet.

Yeah, I don't know what's up with that.

##CALL GM: How come CALL GMs were processed before my reveal? My reveal is much more important.

[Jamiet99uk]

The GM has been online and has answered some outstanding GM calls, as well as dealing with a PM from me.

And yet..... no Xorxes reveal!!

How fascinating.

[rdrivera2005]

RDRIVERA - D1 ISO

P1. Says hello and likes to see me pressuring EMC.

P12. Votes Worcej for pressuring him, in a kinda OMGUS-ish manner. Thinks Worcej is buddyin Xorxes. Doesn't like the massclaim and feels it gives power to the Reaver.

P16. Decides Worcej was not buddying Xorxes. Unvotes. Still doesn't like the massclaim. Does like Temasek.

P21. Corrects Kalelchase over the correct description of the Portugese language.

P24. Says he will claim if Xorxes confirms.

P27. Suspects Xorxes is the Reaver Prime and thinks his massclaim is connected to this.

P28. Starts asking about claiming.

P29. Now believes Xorxes is the Captain. Claims Town PR.

P35. Assures Peterlund he expects Xorxes to confirm.

P36. Votes Flavius because "I have a feeling".

P42. Likes Bozo's post where Bozo pressured Kalel to claim.

Conclusions:

This is quite an interesting little ISO. In particular there's a clear point where Rdrivera goes from being highly suspicious of Xorxes and opposed to the massclaim, to suddenly thinking the massclaim is fine, believing Xorxes, claiming himself in circumstances where he'd earlier stated he wouldn't do so, and supporting Bozo in pressuring non-claimants. An odd change of attitude in a short space of time.

Verdict: SCUMLEAN

@Rdrivera: You repeatedly stated your opposition to the massclaim and on p.24 said you'd only claim if Xorxes confirmed. Yet, on p.29, you claimed Town PR when Xorxes had not confirmed.

Why did you change your mind about claiming? What made you go from suspecting Xorxes was the RP making a gambit (page 27), to believing his Captain claim two pages later?

I am opposed to massclaim on principle (you can look at the sign up thread where I said I hoped Kit will have an anti-claim guarantee).
But after we have 5 town PR claiming the only sensible thing for a town do is also claim, otherwise we lose all advantage of claiming and have PRs exposed. Anyone not acknowledging this is either scum or really bad at this game.

[xorxes]

The GM has been online and has answered some outstanding GM calls, as well as dealing with a PM from me.

And yet..... no Xorxes reveal!!

How fascinating.

Mwahahahaha

[ND]

The GM has been online and has answered some outstanding GM calls, as well as dealing with a PM from me.

And yet..... no Xorxes reveal!!

How fascinating.

Very fascinating. Yet I'm sure his defenders will find a way to spin it.

[peterlund]

The main charge is being in the group that cannot clear themselves.

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

I would vote for any of the first the mass-claim hang-arounds...

[xorxes]

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

I would vote for any of the first the mass-claim hang-arounds...

Names?

[Jamiet99uk]

RDRIVERA - D1 ISO

P1. Says hello and likes to see me pressuring EMC.

P12. Votes Worcej for pressuring him, in a kinda OMGUS-ish manner. Thinks Worcej is buddyin Xorxes. Doesn't like the massclaim and feels it gives power to the Reaver.

P16. Decides Worcej was not buddying Xorxes. Unvotes. Still doesn't like the massclaim. Does like Temasek.

P21. Corrects Kalelchase over the correct description of the Portugese language.

P24. Says he will claim if Xorxes confirms.

P27. Suspects Xorxes is the Reaver Prime and thinks his massclaim is connected to this.

P28. Starts asking about claiming.

P29. Now believes Xorxes is the Captain. Claims Town PR.

P35. Assures Peterlund he expects Xorxes to confirm.

P36. Votes Flavius because "I have a feeling".

P42. Likes Bozo's post where Bozo pressured Kalel to claim.

Conclusions:

This is quite an interesting little ISO. In particular there's a clear point where Rdrivera goes from being highly suspicious of Xorxes and opposed to the massclaim, to suddenly thinking the massclaim is fine, believing Xorxes, claiming himself in circumstances where he'd earlier stated he wouldn't do so, and supporting Bozo in pressuring non-claimants. An odd change of attitude in a short space of time.

Verdict: SCUMLEAN

@Rdrivera: You repeatedly stated your opposition to the massclaim and on p.24 said you'd only claim if Xorxes confirmed. Yet, on p.29, you claimed Town PR when Xorxes had not confirmed.

Why did you change your mind about claiming? What made you go from suspecting Xorxes was the RP making a gambit (page 27), to believing his Captain claim two pages later?

I am opposed to massclaim on principle (you can look at the sign up thread where I said I hoped Kit will have an anti-claim guarantee).
But after we have 5 town PR claiming the only sensible thing for a town do is also claim, otherwise we lose all advantage of claiming and have PRs exposed. Anyone not acknowledging this is either scum or really bad at this game.

Rdrivera, you only answered half my question.

Why, in the space of two pages, did you go from suspecting Xorxes was the Reaver Prime, to believing his Captain claim?

[ND]

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

I would vote for any of the first the mass-claim hang-arounds...

Names?

Dude, give it up, the GM hasn't verified you. It's over. Your scum play failed.

[Chaqa]

##Call GM
Can the +2 the Captain gets after reveal be role-blocked by people like the Companion?

Yes. This is deemed an ongoing active role power and can be blocked by a role blocking power affecting the Captain during day phase.

##CALL GM

Will Vecna be replaced before EoD?

We are currently speaking with subs to find a replacement.

Replacement will take place at EOD, meaning Vecna’s slot is immune to posting and voting requirements until phase change.

##CallGM: how can ongoing effects be roleblocked???

[Jamiet99uk]

FLAVIUS McFLAVE - D1 ISO

P14. Doesn't like me pressuring EMC. Doesn't like Kalel's spreadsheet. Has some odd theory about a "good twin" and a "bad twin" that I don't quite understand even on re-reading.

He is completely against the massclaim and declares that he will never, not now and not ever, participate.

Also opposes Temasek's idea of hunting the Reaver by having everyone copy-pasta a long complicated paragraph.

P15. Calls Xorxes a liar. Says meta reads are nonsense, and then in his next post has a meta read on EMC for being "super active" which is "not like twon EMC".

P33. Seems concerned that a massclaim helps the Bounty Hunter. Votes Chaqa for supporting the massclaim. Agrees with ND's criticism of Goldfinger's opening post. Continues to argue against the massclaim.

P34. Interacts with Worcej and doesn't think there is much chance of outing the Reaver based on posting restrictions.

Spends a lot of p.34 loudly misinterpreting the Bounty Hunter's wincon by assuming the BH must search for specific roles rather than knowing which *players* he wants to kill.

Continues to hate the massclaim.

VERDICT = NULL

Flavius disagrees with a whole lot of things. Page 14 is mostly a long list of posts in which he calls out a whole lot of things he doesn't like.

As usual he is very noisy (until he randomly vanished after p.34) and misinterprets various things, but I don't get a strong read on him so far.

@Flavius: Could you explain your theory about the good twin and the bad twin? It wasn't clear to me what you meant.

[Jamiet99uk]

Just to recap those four ISO's that I've had time for:

Damo666: Scumlean
Rdrivera: Scumlean
Dargorygel: Townlean
Flavius: Null

[goldfinger0303]

I'm gonna grab a bite to eat. I see the GM is currently browsing the thread, so hopefully will see the verification of xorxes' claim when I come back.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa just said a whole lot of nothing on Page 45

he is my second pick for scum

Based on ND’s track record, this means I’m guaranteed town.

[Chaqa]

I have no clue what that moron Chaqa is talking about. But, yeah vote xorxes he is high probable scum.

He can end this at any time by verifying. The fact that he hasn't yet means it is very likley he is not captain. If he was the captain he would have just had the GM to verify his role and then started the whole mass claim plan.

Why does every mention of me have to be “the moron Chaqa” or “the idiot Chaqa”?

Did I hurt your orange-faced pride?

No clue what orange face means, but yeah your dumb. Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. Just accept your ignorant self and move on Camaro

lol ok. If it weren’t against the rules of the game I’d have your posts hidden again.

[BunnyGo]

Wow. Xorxes. Can you cut it out at this point? Kitsune is here and not responding to your PMs despite saying she’s actively going through PMs.

As for my claim: I waited because it was dumb and I said as much pregame and during game. But once there were 10 claimed I knew one was lying and had to claim.

I will be in and out. Sledding was fun.

[ND]

Chaqa just said a whole lot of nothing on Page 45

he is my second pick for scum

Based on ND’s track record, this means I’m guaranteed town.

Dude you are beyond retarded. I've already told you I got not only the serial killer last game but a scum member as well. YOU GOT NO ONE. STFU CAMARO.

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa just said a whole lot of nothing on Page 45

he is my second pick for scum

Based on ND’s track record, this means I’m guaranteed town.

Dude you are beyond retarded. I've already told you I got not only the serial killer last game but a scum member as well. YOU GOT NO ONE. STFU CAMARO.

Actually Chaqa did a great job of lynching the Doctor.