Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera, why are you townreading Worcej exactly?

I don't have a strong towread on Worcej, but I see him more town then scum. I gave him some town points on D1 for hard advocating a no-lynch, which is something I don't think scum will do, but after that he just faded away. I also like his questioning of you as it doesn't seem what scum will do, I am more suspicious of the ones just budding you.

[Jamiet99uk]

FYI Jamiet, I see you popping in and out and seemingly not wanting to discuss this further.

I'm not sure what else there is to discuss. The fact Yav missed was stated very clearly in the thread by the GM. Normally a scumslip is when a player accidentally reveals something only scum could know. Yav displays poor reading of the thread, which is *slightly* scummy.....but not something I would classify as a "GOTCHA" kinda slip.

[worcej]

"Hello, im Worcej, and im claiming the worlds shortest vacation + tablet use as an excuse why im not at my normal activity levels".

Who on the scumteam told you to use that one?

Ever heard of a long weekend? I was 'gone' from Thursday until today. Not every vacation is a week long, no internet, paradise. Your shit-posting about this isn't helping me think you're any less scum. And this position of you being questionable isn't an OMGUS, I had it in my read on yav - look at my first post of D3 and then I voted for yav originally:

@worcej, Jamie, and yav - can you give reads of each other please?

I have said a few times that I was suspect of Jaime's lurking. The reveal of Ezio as town confirmed to me that his tunneling was another blind rage move, which he has done numerous times in the past. But he also seems to scum hunt on other guys and is owning his failures.

I think Yav has been lurking most of this game, with a little bit of borderline PR hunting. Other than going for Jaime and pointing out his tunnel of ezio and commenting about damo, there is little value to his posts. I am skeptical on his town reads - I was scum leaning bo and just cause Vecna has Lump doesn't just make him town... I think it's scum trying to avoid contact more than anything else.

Of the two current wagons, I would ##vote yav based on how the two are playing currently. In general, I think we're now at 2 witches instead of 3 as well. I believe, of the two unknowns, that DT was most likely the witch over bo_sox, but of course I could be wrong. I assume the soup move on bozo was because I believe souping is not savable from Angel ND/Ezio and they were not entirely sure of the situation. I am glad to know that our vig is alive and active, so there is some merit in that being online to stir up some shit for the witches :)

My analysis I just provided stands for my reasoning and I back it - I think you're jumping all over the place and not really hunting, just hurf-blurfing about trying to cause commotion and act as a 'leader' to get easy votes to follow you.

The only possible scumteam I could see happening with Vecna on it is a Bo-Jamie-Vecna scumteam. That's based off of what Vecna has done today. That would be a very bold play from Vecna, so I think it is unlikely, but still possible.

If Vecna is scum, who do you think his scummates are?

I disagree, I think it is actually a Bo-Vecna-Yav team. Isolating Yav-Vecna together, they have never voted for each other once and I only find ONE interaction between the two publicly:

@Yavuz, I think the acolyte needs to just low-key steer the lynch away from the priest if it ever happens. Giving the witches even a pool of where to find the priest seems like a bad idea - since there might be witches in that pool as well.

We really dont wanna give the witches any information whatsoever.

Vecna has barely applied any pressure to yav, regardless of other people's opinions on yav. He town read him once and as far as I can see, never had him in a scum pool once. I think they are distancing themselves intentionally and communicating in the QT. Again, my evidence is Vecna was going after, without mercy, on Ezio, DT, bozo, Squigs, numerous times on D1 and D2 and all 3 of these are confirmed town now. He has barely touched yav and bo (now dead), while also barely engaging Jamie, which makes me believe of that 2 untouched, those are the other scum so it leaves just him and yav.

[worcej]

** and 3 of those confirm town - we have no idea what Squigs is currently, but I somewhat town read him.

[yavuzovic]

I do think the fact that he posted that he didn't understand the soup mechanic in itself could be telling

@ Yav: What about the soup mechanic did you not understand?

I was wondering why they souped Bozo when they could have just NKd him. If they knew he was the Gambler, why not just NK him? The only reason I could see would be to dodge an angel save. Or if scum didn't understand the soup mechanics.

WarLegend wrote a long post about that on QT, and I understood what it is and didn't need to ask again and again.

[y2kjbk]

##UNVOTE

I really need to reread now.

[yavuzovic]

I need to reread but my inclination is to sheep you ##VOTE squigs

ok ##VOTE worcej

You're a sheeping sheep y2kjbk and I will sacrifice you today.
Vote him, because he sucks. Only thing he does is following Vecna.

[yavuzovic]

##UNVOTE

I really need to reread now.

Is that a break before voting me?!

[y2kjbk]

Seriously, that's what you come back to the thread with instead of any clarification for my spelled out reason for why I suspect your attitude towards the bozo flip?

[y2kjbk]

I will be transparent now and say that I am rereading with a piqued interest in worcej's claim that he thinks scum are bo_sox/vecna/yavuz.

[y2kjbk]

The real reason why being suspicious of me is somewhat silly; Scum would never want to lump themselves, because then when they continue to not die to the nightkill, and look very suspicious.

If they just lump town, they can then try to sow suspicion around by not night killing the slot.

Its super basic level 1 strategizing, but I wouldnt be surprised if thats exactly the reasoning they went for last night.

So Damo, are you the simpleton that thought that strategy was a good idea, and youre now trying to paint me scummy? Or are you seriously so gullible that after 1 nightkill elsewhere youre now gonna do exactly what scum wanted you to do?

Stop being distracted and do some actual scumhunting as opposed to trying to read into the nightkill outcome.

This is an interesting post, particularly because the initial logic is wrong. At the beginning of the game, I voted to lump ezio because i would expect scum not to be so bold as to claim lump immediately because that would be suspicious. Vecna isn't right at all that scum wouldn't want to lump though, because the lump is WAY more powerful in the hands of coordinated scum than it is in a townie trying to scum-hunt, if he can shake suspicion, which Vecna has done well so far, especially with his come-out claim that 3 witches are alive and his lump is necessary to ensure we don't lose, assuming he's town. Vecna got the lump by getting unexplained praise from a number of players that I bet contains at least one, baybe both scum-buddies of Vecna:

Hmmm.... most interesting. I am curious who we should Lump since we'll have no idea if a witch or villager got him, but also the power of Lump is not too terribly impressive either.

I am more inclined to not give it to someone who self-voted, so I am going with ##Lump Vecna - he seems to generally get lucky with scum hunting in Mafia, why wouldn't it work here

I'm inclined to holster my lump vote until we get further into the day and I have better reads on everyone. If I were to vote on someone right now it would probably be on someone that is a quality scumhunter. Worcejs vote on Vecna falls into this category.

##Vote Vecna to befriend the lumpy panda
Vecna is a sensible guy
I don't claim it for myself as my early reads are usually guff

About the lump, I think we shouldn't openly decline on it as it could give witches some clues. I think Vecna could also be a good lump target, he is my first townread. Ezio is bold as scum, I know it well, so I don't think we should give him a town read just for self voting

##VOTE Vecna

[Squigs44]

I thought about a Bo-Vec-Yav team since I couldn't see why Vec townread Yav and took him out of his scum pool. The reason I don't think this is the case is because I think Vec would have comtinued to push Jamie if this were the case. I'll reread and see what's up after work.

[y2kjbk]

Oh shit. ##vote vecna

I think this was ND noticing that a handful of players expressing interest in giving the lump to Vecna made Vecna suspicious.

[Vecna]

The real reason why being suspicious of me is somewhat silly; Scum would never want to lump themselves, because then when they continue to not die to the nightkill, and look very suspicious.

If they just lump town, they can then try to sow suspicion around by not night killing the slot.

Its super basic level 1 strategizing, but I wouldnt be surprised if thats exactly the reasoning they went for last night.

So Damo, are you the simpleton that thought that strategy was a good idea, and youre now trying to paint me scummy? Or are you seriously so gullible that after 1 nightkill elsewhere youre now gonna do exactly what scum wanted you to do?

Stop being distracted and do some actual scumhunting as opposed to trying to read into the nightkill outcome.

This is an interesting post, particularly because the initial logic is wrong. At the beginning of the game, I voted to lump ezio because i would expect scum not to be so bold as to claim lump immediately because that would be suspicious. Vecna isn't right at all that scum wouldn't want to lump though, because the lump is WAY more powerful in the hands of coordinated scum than it is in a townie trying to scum-hunt, if he can shake suspicion, which Vecna has done well so far, especially with his come-out claim that 3 witches are alive and his lump is necessary to ensure we don't lose, assuming he's town. Vecna got the lump by getting unexplained praise from a number of players that I bet contains at least one, baybe both scum-buddies of Vecna:

Hmmm.... most interesting. I am curious who we should Lump since we'll have no idea if a witch or villager got him, but also the power of Lump is not too terribly impressive either.

I am more inclined to not give it to someone who self-voted, so I am going with ##Lump Vecna - he seems to generally get lucky with scum hunting in Mafia, why wouldn't it work here

I'm inclined to holster my lump vote until we get further into the day and I have better reads on everyone. If I were to vote on someone right now it would probably be on someone that is a quality scumhunter. Worcejs vote on Vecna falls into this category.

##Vote Vecna to befriend the lumpy panda
Vecna is a sensible guy
I don't claim it for myself as my early reads are usually guff

About the lump, I think we shouldn't openly decline on it as it could give witches some clues. I think Vecna could also be a good lump target, he is my first townread. Ezio is bold as scum, I know it well, so I don't think we should give him a town read just for self voting

##VOTE Vecna

Really thats the best you can come up with? You actually confirm my exact logic, but you claim its wrong.

What happens if a scum with lump doesnt die fast? They get suspicion.

And ive been good at avoiding suspicion because ive been playing properly. Dont pretend its any different now because you wanna dig for my role that I softed earlier scumbucket.

The fact people piled on easily is because its easy to just dump it on a town and hope they become suspicious.

##vote Y2K

I mean, its fine that you quote all the living plays to lump me, but there were just as many confirmed towns in there. It doesnt prove anything.

At any rate, ill claim later on in the day and get you or one of your scumbuddies speedlynched.

[y2kjbk]

You set yourself up to confirm you own logic if anyone suspected you. Well played.

[y2kjbk]

Lol, very intrigued to see what fake claim you'll have queued up for us.

[y2kjbk]

Anyhow, as you mention, at least two of the people voting to lump you must have been town, so I really want to hear from all of them about my current logic here.

[Vecna]

Oh shit. ##vote vecna

I think this was ND noticing that a handful of players expressing interest in giving the lump to Vecna made Vecna suspicious.

You think that is what it is? You think ND noticed a pattern in like one or two persons randomly lump voting me on the first 3 pages of the game?

[Vecna]

Bro, youre reaching. Just return to bussing your teammates. In the off-chance you are the town in my scumpool, just sit down and help me figure it out instead of trying to stir up shit.

[y2kjbk]

It was pretty clear early on that there was growing consensus to lump you. I personally didn't read much into it because I didn't view the lump as all that powerful because in the hands of town it isn't, but in the hands of scum it is. So I think ND made that realization and voted and obviously wouldn't share it immediately in order to let the lump play out without anyone thinking about it all that much, as it has.