Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[damo666]

have you?

Found it. Sorry.

Apology accepted. Help yourself to a small glass of sherry.

I'm on tea today but thanks.

[Bonatogether]

Ok i was confused for a second

Point 2 still applies and I dont think Darg being sheeped by D and W means hes scum. I think it would honestly make more sense for Darg to be town if D and W was mafia because dip would try to sheep a town to make his reads look better

again, you still haven't produced a single post showing what you claim

Its not a specific post that makes Dip or Drag towny its the fact that for Dip basically all his posts are matter of fact and straight to the point which is town-Dip and Darg has been consistently solving throughout the entire game

So i mean i can link the bot for u to iso if you really dont believe my word

are you nuts? i just wrote a whole case about how DaW does NOT produce anything that is matter of fact, and that it's all just smoke and mirrors. YOU just said it was a reasonable case. get your story straight

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Oh also your point about neurax I think his solving revolves a lot around how I would expect a new player to solve. Like how he has a few people he things are town (ex. Dip) and he goes ‘well they are probably town so the people that are voting him are probably not town’

Which I dont think he’d really have that mentality if he was mafia

Also him saying he wouldn’t know what he’d do as mafia is pretty towny

purposefully ignoring that i asked for a post. do you not think that he could come up with something like that as scum? i'm aware you think new players should be protected from votes until day 3 but that doesn't mean they're protected from scrutiny, and being new doesn't mean that they're necessarily not good at the mind games part of this - obviously, they won't know names or whatever, but the rest of it is just mental

Well we can’t know anything about a person’s playstyle until we’ve gotten a few games with them; so i’m going off what I think newb-mafia would do and what Neurax has done is not it. Its not infallible, no reads are, but I do have faith in Neurax and will stick by that

This is not related to the ‘newbs protected to D3’ thing, this is an independent read

[Jamiet99uk]

@Argent: I have some questions for you:

1. On D1 you voted Bonatogether because he called you a dork; you left your vote there all day. Now on D2 you are voting Vecna "out of spite". Is it your normal approach to just vote for people who suspect you or criticise you?

2. Do you think the scum team is Vecna, Bonatogether, JustWill? Your voting suggests you suspect this, but can you clarify?

@Argent:


You have posted since I asked these questions.

You have not responded to these questions.

I would like you to do that.

You are in my scum pool along with D&W, Damo, Bozo and JustWill.

you can move me out

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Can you comment on my Night 1 big post of EoD1 analysis (page 29) in which I assert that there may have been movement to protect scum!D&W? I would have thought you'd be interested in responding to such matters, but you have not.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

yeah this was my point like 4 posts up the chain. no town credit for you!

i dont need you to credit me in order to solve. I just hope that if Dip flips we can at least glean some good info from it

will you vote for him? or was bussing not agreed on in your thread

Probably not

[damo666]

@Jamie if you think Bona is town switch to argent and Bona can follow.

If not I'll return to Dip.

@ghug get off me, wasted vote

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

again, you still haven't produced a single post showing what you claim

Its not a specific post that makes Dip or Drag towny its the fact that for Dip basically all his posts are matter of fact and straight to the point which is town-Dip and Darg has been consistently solving throughout the entire game

So i mean i can link the bot for u to iso if you really dont believe my word

are you nuts? i just wrote a whole case about how DaW does NOT produce anything that is matter of fact, and that it's all just smoke and mirrors. YOU just said it was a reasonable case. get your story straight

And the one point i disagree with is that Dip sheeped without reason and voted without purpose. I think he has not done that

I thought the case was *fine*

[damo666]

I am wondering if there was any movement to save anyone in the last hour.

Let's look back at what hapopened:

00:50 - I move to Vecna making it Vecna 3, Bona 3, Red 2, Ghug 2
00:47 - Bona moves to Dip&War making it Vecna 3, Bona 3, Red 2, Dip 2
00:31 - Damo moves to Dip&War making it Vecna 3, Bona 3, Dip&War 3

Notice that with 30 minutes left, there was only ONE vote on Rdrivera, which was Vecna, who wasn't around.

00:13 - JustWill votes for Rdrivera: Vecna 3, Bona 3, Dip&War 3, Red 2, Rdr 2
00:11 - I moved from Vecna to Dip&War: Dip&War 4, Bona 3, Vecna 2, Red 2, Rdr 2
00:10 - Dip&War moves from Bona to Rdr: Dip&War 4, Rdr 3, Vecna 2, Red 2
00:09 - Ghug moves from Vecna to Bona: Dip&War 4, Bona 3, Rdr 3, Red 2
00:05 - Foodcoats moves from Red to JustWill creating a brand new wagon for some reason.
00:04 - Damo moves from Dip&War to Rdr: Rdrivera 4, Bona 3, Dip&War 3
00:04 - Bona moves from Dip&War to JustWill: Rdrivera 4, Bona 3, Dip&War 2, JustWill 2
00:04 - Bozo moves fropm Red to Rdr: Rdrivera 5, Bona 3, Dip&War 2, JustWill 2
00:03 - Foodcoats moves from JustWill to Rdr: Rdrivera 6, Bona 3, Dip&War 2, JustWill 1
00:02 - Bona moves from JustWill back to Dip&War: Rdrivera 6, Bona 3, Dip&War 3
00:01 - Ghug moves from Bona to Rdr: Rdrivera 7, Dip&War 3, Bona 2

Observations:

The momentum on Rdrivera was created by JustWill, quickly followed by Dip&War who, at the time of his own vote, was briefly the lead wagon (because of my vote). Damo then joined them and put Rdr into the lead. Bozo locked it in with a 5th vote, waffling about ties.

It was weird that Foodcoats started a brand new JustWill wagon very close to EoD, and it is even more noteworthy that as soon as someone (Bona) joined him on that wagon, Foodcoats jumped back off.

If Dip&War is scum, I think the most suspect people in this series of events are Damo and Foodcoats, maybe Bozo.

If Dip&War is not scum, and any scum was at any risk during EoD, that person is probably Bona.

Well food was town and so am I. I also suspect bozo is. So maybe it's less likely Dip is scum.

I'm leaning towards thinking this was TvTvT

So maybe we're looking at something like argent, darg and Vecnabus

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie if you think Bona is town switch to argent and Bona can follow.

If not I'll return to Dip.

@ghug get off me, wasted vote

You are not clear yet Damo, but I am willing to entertain this.

##Vote Argent.

[damo666]

Could the Bona voters explain please. I don't see it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Imagine if this is Damo saving D&W twice.

Just imagine that.

[damo666]

I think Dip's case on me is so flakey it is more likely coming from town than scum.

[damo666]

Imagine if this is Damo saving D&W twice.

Just imagine that.

If I am 'saving' him it's not as a scummate.

I will return to Dip if necessary to save Bona because I think Bona less likely scum than Dip.

However I would prefer to flip argent who could be becoming a bit of a liability if town with the lack of posting.

[damo666]

@Bona look at the votes....

[dargorygel]

Bona has looked better as the day went on. Less sparky. I think scumbona would have stayed sarcastic.

Argent is a newbie, who i don't know. I've read the case on him. But was not overly moved.

If I have to choose, I'll go argent atm.

[BunnyGo]

Attention Crew, this will be my final announcement for the day.

argent (3) Vecna damo666 Jamiet99uk
Bonatogether (3) DiplomacyandWarfare Red Neurax JustAGuyNamedWill
DiplomacyandWarfare (1) Bonatogether
Red Neurax (1) bozotheclown
Vecna (1) argent
damo666 (1) ghug
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) dargorygel

Day 2 ends in approximately 45 minutes.

Currently nobody is set to be devoured by a space crystalline entity.

[dargorygel]

No real cases actually... but some correct assessment of his lack of answers.

#vote Argent

[dargorygel]

##vote argent

[Bonatogether]

Oh also your point about neurax I think his solving revolves a lot around how I would expect a new player to solve. Like how he has a few people he things are town (ex. Dip) and he goes ‘well they are probably town so the people that are voting him are probably not town’

Which I dont think he’d really have that mentality if he was mafia

Also him saying he wouldn’t know what he’d do as mafia is pretty towny

purposefully ignoring that i asked for a post. do you not think that he could come up with something like that as scum? i'm aware you think new players should be protected from votes until day 3 but that doesn't mean they're protected from scrutiny, and being new doesn't mean that they're necessarily not good at the mind games part of this - obviously, they won't know names or whatever, but the rest of it is just mental

Well we can’t know anything about a person’s playstyle until we’ve gotten a few games with them; so i’m going off what I think newb-mafia would do and what Neurax has done is not it. Its not infallible, no reads are, but I do have faith in Neurax and will stick by that

This is not related to the ‘newbs protected to D3’ thing, this is an independent read

this is a read based on nothingness

[Bonatogether]

ok guys i looked at wagons and this is incredibly disappointing