M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[Yoyoyozo]

If I a team that hasn’t recruited ghug recruits me, I’m ratting everyone out. That should make it a little easier for you :)

[ghug]

I can see this game turning into a game of diplomacy at the end when town’s numbers have dwindled to a minority. If any team has recruited ghug, I’m still unrecruited so pls pick me I’m being so serious right now.

This is either a bluff or a rule violation so I'm going to assume the former.

[ghug]

If I a team that hasn’t recruited ghug recruits me, I’m ratting everyone out. That should make it a little easier for you :)

I would endorse both teams recruiting me, though.

[Yoyoyozo]

I can see this game turning into a game of diplomacy at the end when town’s numbers have dwindled to a minority. If any team has recruited ghug, I’m still unrecruited so pls pick me I’m being so serious right now.

This is either a bluff or a rule violation so I'm going to assume the former.

What rule could it potentially violate?

[Bonatogether]

Ok I was hoping y'all would just get this but we're not playing mafia.

Several people have already noted that town is doomed. That's true if we play it like mafia, and it's kind of a feature of the setup. The way town wins this game is by pitting the mafia against each other. Townies can also win this game by being recruited, but my reading of the rules has always been that playing to this outcome runs contrary to playing to one's own win condition (the spectrum of positions on this point kind of undermines the game's whole conceit, which is one of the reasons I'm personally not a fan of recruitment games).

If we kill a townie today, we have less ability to effect our will as the game progresses further. If we kill scum today, there's no counterweight to the other scum team. We go into tomorrow in what's basically a brand new 7v2 mafia game in which we have no PRs, scum has twice as much power as a normal mafia team to reduce the number disparity as long as their leader is alive, and every new recruit is going to lack connections to their teammates. Town is unlikely to win that game. We need the Mafia team to be threats to each other.

We normally kill D1 for two reasons, neither of which applies here:
1. To start getting voting information. Bozo has already pointed out that this doesn't work when the mafia don't have teammates. I'm a little bit shocked Bona didn't notice this.
2. Because our numbers advantage will only get worse over time. This isn't applicable here for the reasons I laid out above.

ghug, how much did your thinking evolve from this starting point?

If you strongly felt it, why leave your original stance to cast a kill vote?

Would this not cause you to consider bona mafia if they, presumably, didn't notice this?

Did you consider bona mafia then? If so, do you still consider them mafia? If not, what changed?

do you have it out for me for a real reason or because i'm an easy kill?

[Bonatogether]

A townread here means nothing the day after that town read unless you can make that same read about a person

maybe i'm just not processing but i have no idea what you're saying

Someone who is town yesterday can be mafia today. So if I tred someone yesterday I can’t carry that over to today

ok i understand this post. thanks, moving on

[Bonatogether]

thought eod was 6pm

what a weird day looks like?

you agreeing I am town as I am posting trying to get you to listen to me was a mega facepalm... understandable i suppose, but i did begin day drinking afterward

though eod was later (and then got bored and was doing something else haha)

[ghug]

I can see this game turning into a game of diplomacy at the end when town’s numbers have dwindled to a minority. If any team has recruited ghug, I’m still unrecruited so pls pick me I’m being so serious right now.

This is either a bluff or a rule violation so I'm going to assume the former.

What rule could it potentially violate?

Not playing towards your team's win condition.

You're fully permitted to put it out there, but this game doesn't work if the townies are actually just playing to get recruited.

[Bonatogether]

From the based chat
Bona: what a based day. That was so cringe

Haze: im going to be working on my laptop from 8am to 4:02 pm on end of night. Ill miss out on end of night

Bona: based

Haze: tbh you would say that

Bona: cringe

Haze: tbh I really dont remember things because that would just make things harder. Tbh.

Bona: tbh this is based

Haze: what does that even mean?

Bona: skibidi

don't lump me in with gen alpha cringe

[Bonatogether]

i think hambean, yogurt, look scummy

i like gorg, beanbomb, and bonzo

[Yoyoyozo]

This is either a bluff or a rule violation so I'm going to assume the former.

What rule could it potentially violate?

Not playing towards your team's win condition.

You're fully permitted to put it out there, but this game doesn't work if the townies are actually just playing to get recruited.

Right but towns win condition is eliminating both teams. As long as there are two teams, playing to get recruited stalls the game out longer, more information for town to collect.

The ratting out the non-ghug team thing is only against my wincon if I’m town.

I love you too ghug maybe it’s a bluff

[Yoyoyozo]

By the way, trying to prove that you’re town also isn’t again your win conditions if everyone is scum reading you.

[Hamilton Brian]

Don’t listen to him! Recruit me!!!!!!

Jesus, can you just eff off with that? You're already a spy. Stop grovelling.

[Hamilton Brian]

This is either a bluff or a rule violation so I'm going to assume the former.

What rule could it potentially violate?

Not playing towards your team's win condition.

You're fully permitted to put it out there, but this game doesn't work if the townies are actually just playing to get recruited.

A-fucking-men.
I think yoyo is doing some wolfing of their own or wants out of the game to watch the real Paris Olympics.

[Hamilton Brian]

i think hambean, yogurt, look scummy

i like gorg, beanbomb, and bonzo

Please enlighten us, oh younger gen. Why me? Why yoyo?

[Hamilton Brian]

i think hambean, yogurt, look scummy

i like gorg, beanbomb, and bonzo

And what do you like about ghug besides his passive interest in the game?

What do you like about brain besides his madcap metareads that bring him to wrong conclusions, at least where I am concerned?

What stands out to you about bozo, besides the erstwhile early votes then leaving?

[ghug]

By the way, trying to prove that you’re town also isn’t again your win conditions if everyone is scum reading you.

Right, there's room to do shit like this, I just want to be sure people understand where the line is because the only things that would make this game suck more is is townies working against town, and I kind of wonder if that's what happened yesterday.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think we're definitely at 3:3:3 at this point UNLESS one of the teams struck out. If there's a NK tonight then I am ripping up all of my notes. Which would suggest we were at 5:2:1?

Anyway, Col7by, I think you have this interesting pattern of answering what you want to answer and evading the rest. I even made separate posts for you so that you could take your time with each one. Why are you purposefully evasive? Was my madcap theoury that you and yoyo were the OG spies actually true?

[Hamilton Brian]

By the way, trying to prove that you’re town also isn’t again your win conditions if everyone is scum reading you.

Right, there's room to do shit like this, I just want to be sure people understand where the line is because the only things that would make this game suck more is is townies working against town, and I kind of wonder if that's what happened yesterday.

I agree with your bold.

Tell me how you think in what way yesterday was town working against town.

[Yoyoyozo]

By the way, trying to prove that you’re town also isn’t again your win conditions if everyone is scum reading you.

Right, there's room to do shit like this, I just want to be sure people understand where the line is because the only things that would make this game suck more is is townies working against town, and I kind of wonder if that's what happened yesterday.

That’s bound to happen in any mafia game. Mafia has more information than town does. This game is different in that since there are two opposing mafia teams, the information gap is much smaller. Stuff like this is good for town, even if it causes a little dissonance at first.