MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

The fact that half of the people aren’t going to do it probably includes some of the PRs. If in fact none of the PRs do it, it would be a massive troll on mafia because they’re putting together pieces of a puzzle that don’t exist. The benefit to town is that we don’t really need to know who the PR are until it counts. It scrambles the game for mafia, while having the opportunity to provide town with info. There’s a piece of metagame that I figured out that I can’t say now but will be very useful later on if things go well.

This post feels massively not-mafia motivated though. Could be 3P, but this post feels majorly to go against what the mafia would try to accomplish, and I dont think they would be theorizing this part of the hypo

How does a plan to help keep the PRs hidden seem 3P motivated?

Like I said, it feels specifically not-mafia related. You could -maybe- expand that to not-whatever that role is that needs to kill the PR's motivated, but im really not interested in making distinction for 3p at this moment anyway.

Theyll probably end up randomly harpooned for being scummy or shot by scum regardless, and if not, its an issue for later.

[summit_fever]

[snip]

Ok, go back a step and tell me why everybody wanted to save Bunny.

Bunny is the better town player to have around. Tries hard, doesn't give up, and participates. We're going to day 1 him in favour of Bismarck? Baffling.

What information do you think flipping Bismarck would have provided us? I think there is often scum in the lurkers, but Day 1 is important for providing information that can't be got later in the game.

You think Bunny was the better target for town because we'd gain more information? What information did we gain?

[worcej]

I am fine to continue voting for Durga. I think too-cool-for-school Durga (e.g., not reading the setup, not reading the thread, etc) is somewhat scum indicative.

We should not be policy killing SarahK at this point. Day 1 is too important for that, we need a referendum on an actual player who might be scum.

I would potentially vote for Worcej or Ghug over Durga at this point, though. I think Worcej is playing too nicely. Bozo is obviously town to me—he's focusing way too much on small inconsistencies, so he will probably end up tunneling on a townie.

Sort of surprised by this read as well. Did you play with Durga in the more recent games? It seemed a lot more active and involved in this game so far actually. The too cool for school isnt really AI, but theres a lot more buddying going on and she feels more committed so far.

Which is funny when you reflect on this post...

##VOTE DURGA

You’ve shown up twice now, but have you really shown up at all, even???

The sad truth is I'd put in more effort as scum, I haven't even read the set up yet lmao

[Vecna]

What level of participation would you say
a) is optimal
b) the minimum required
c) will actually happen?

100% in optimal, I think 50% is enough to make it worth doing, and I believe we could get 50% or better participation.

Damo, does this answer your question?

coaching his team member that he has to reply to the questions he asked?

Or just weirdly interested for some odd reason?

hmm

[Vecna]

lol ##VOTE damo

This I like though. A little bit. Its also a bit gotcha-y. Do I actually like it?

[Vecna]

100% in optimal, I think 50% is enough to make it worth doing, and I believe we could get 50% or better participation.

Damo, does this answer your question?

What a stupid question.

what a weird interaction

[Vecna]

Just look at the 3 on my wagon! Lol

Pretty panicky

[damo666]

Damo, are you tracking the order in which people complied with the statement?

No, but everyone has now complied (of sorts).

Bo and Durga prevaricated the most.

[Vecna]

My top town reads are damo, Yoyoyozo, BunnyGo, Foxcastle, and TrPrado. That leaves Bismarck among the current vote leaders, and he has said very little to go on. I am not sure about Durga, I find her suspicious, but when she is scum she typically does a good job at not looking suspicious.

I am going to vote for Bismarck for now because his unexplained vote for damo was somewhat suspicious.

##VOTE Bismarck

This post is really strange to me.

People are scumreading Durga because she is putting in a lot of effort to look good. She's participating, making valid points, decent observations (especially about me being the best town on the website, y'know?). She's trying pretty hard so far.

Yet Bozo is brushing that away because she looks surface suspicious? But she wouldnt look surface suspicious as scum?

The reasoning here is bend over backwards, and its fishy.

Also, since when does Bozo not dare to crusade for his own scumread? Why does he let himself be constrained by the current wagons with so much time to go?

Im finding this a solid ass reason to scumread bozo.

[damo666]

lol ##VOTE damo

This I like though. A little bit. Its also a bit gotcha-y. Do I actually like it?

gotcha for what?

[summit_fever]

Lol okay but really is my dumb fuck-this-shit vote really on the leading wagon? I suck at this game.

##unvote

Did you know the vote count when you made your vote?

random, out of nowhere, relevance?

Seemed forced, especially since he voted Bunny into the lead. The surprise might be more genuine if you were on a solo joke wagon and woke up to find it in the lead.

[worcej]

Worcej, where are you? You've made 1 post in the last 36 hours.

A TL;DR is I am roped into a lot of meetings at work (limiting PC time) and having a 10.5 month old at home involves a lot of watching at all times to avoid letting her kill herself.

I am reading and keeping up to date, but limited in how I can post because I am usually a string poster and use wall posts and that blows to do on a cell.

[Vecna]

And I am starting to scumread Ghug after this exchange with bo . It's like he want to hit some trigger on Bo side, which doesn't look a towny thing to do at this point.

Not seeing that Rdrivera spark yet

[damo666]

Damo, does this answer your question?

What a stupid question.

what a weird interaction

What is wierd is Bo asking me if bozo had answered my question while quoting Bozo's reply thus making the question redundant. Hence my reply.

[worcej]

Still waiting on Vecna to reflect on the Durga quote I brought forward.

I hope that post isn't lost in the waters.

[damo666]

Just look at the 3 on my wagon! Lol

Pretty panicky

No. Just pointing out the 3 in question all seem(ed) dodgy.

[Vecna]

In previous games, Worcej has been acerbic and hostile, even agreeing that he's playing like an asshole. In those games, he's been town. In a recent game when he didn't play that way, he was scum who managed to make it to the win in no small part because of his newfound congeniality. It's just 20 posts so far this game, but he hasn't abused or derided anyone enough for me to think it's town-worcej.

The issue I take with that is that it sets up such easy meta for worcej to follow. I don't think anyone legitimately sticks to the exact same meta that we claim to have on them as town or scum every single game; in fact, I can think of very few people who obviously indicate one way or another unintentionally.

What game was super nice worcej? I'm pretty sure he's always nice to me, but that's just because I've made him my minion. He thinks of me what I want him to think of me.

Bo failed to respond to Fox's second paragraph where Fox misremembered Ghug as scum in M57 (which would have been alongside Bo and Fox, who were both scum). Not sure if scum!bo would be so willing to ignore that.

And summit appears again with one comment that is super super specific. I dont even understand the point he's trying to make, but it does show he's reading super carefully I guess, and is being very specific about the things he's responding to.

Summit, why is your free-posting so much lower than it used to be?

[Vecna]

Not liking the way Yoyo has interacted with some people, pretty sus, ##VOTE YOYO I will come back tomorrow to see if I still feel this way.

But arguing about which way of saying "I am town" is most viable when and how he did is kind of silly and feels like beating down dissent for the sake of looking helpful and pro-town.

This literally never happened lol. Please quote me where I agree which way of saying “I am town” is most viable

Sure

I also feel like the original statement would work, since the mafia lie detector saying their role is listed under town roles would be made in bad faith and knowingly inserts an untruth.

Lol this is the funniest post I’ve ever read in my memory of playing mafia. Especially if you’re being serious. I think it’s a pretty tricky thing and definitely would come back from the GM as a true statement, since they would know that their role is under both lists, it would not be a lie to say that it falls under one.

This is what caught my attention specifically in the context of:

My role is in the list of Town Roles.

I town read BunnyGo for that. Pretty creative way to not give potential mafia lie detector info while giving the possible town lie detector a way to become cop

You treating the original statement as praiseworthy. You went on to treat the statement has having obvious glaring holes and the way you present that and respond to someone saying it's fine makes it feel weird and unnatural for you not to have brought it up in the first place. This feels like more of an optics game than actually trying to be helpful or useful.

This also feels like a town post. Going very deep into them details to get some dirt on that yoyo dirtbag. nice

[Vecna]

Damo was just as mech-focused as this last game, so I see no reason whatsoever to scumread him for it

Its not like he doesnt do that as scum

[Vecna]

My top town reads are damo, Yoyoyozo, BunnyGo, Foxcastle, and TrPrado. That leaves Bismarck among the current vote leaders, and he has said very little to go on. I am not sure about Durga, I find her suspicious, but when she is scum she typically does a good job at not looking suspicious.

I am going to vote for Bismarck for now because his unexplained vote for damo was somewhat suspicious.

##VOTE Bismarck

I'd love to hear a reason for why you townread TrPrado

Also, why not go further with the critique on this post HR? It feels like youre going easy on this terrible post.

In fact, im surprised not more people are not at all scrutinizing bozo, just because "he was nitty on a few small things".

I actually dont know if I even agree with him being nitpicky so far.